Merged Abbott Pardons Man Who Intentionally Murdered BLM Protester

[RolandRat]

According to his own words, yes he did.

Which words?

 

[newyorkguy]

...The only person who said it was self defense was the killer.

And governor Greg Abbott.

 

[rdwight]

The racist element is relevant not because of the race of the murder victim, but because a BLM protest was targeted.

I dont think its out of bounds to report on but it really doesnt add much to the incident. Is someone that has a few racist text messages more likely to murder someone? Seems like a stretch. If he was a part of an organized group known for violence sure, extremely relevant.

Perry has liberally pasted all over the internet how racist he is. Saying calling him racist is inflammatory is simply pandering to him and the rest of the far right.

Going to take this in two parts. First, there is no widespread history of racist posts. From his text and social media message history i think i read about 4, none posted. Just sent by text or direct message to people he was talking to. This doesnt mean hes not racist, just not a raving lunatic posting racist stuff online all day.

Second, I guess my post wasnt clear so ill try again. Conflating the words rioters/looters with the word protester is inflammatory in this situation.

 

[acbytesla]

I dont think its out of bounds to report on but it really doesnt add much to the incident. Is someone that has a few racist text messages more likely to murder someone? Seems like a stretch. If he was a part of an organized group known for violence sure, extremely relevant.

Going to take this in two parts. First, there is no widespread history of racist posts. From his text and social media message history i think i read about 4, none posted. Just sent by text or direct message to people he was talking to. This doesnt mean hes not racist, just not a raving lunatic posting racist stuff online all day.

Second, I guess my post wasnt clear so ill try again. Conflating the words rioters/looters with the word protester is inflammatory in this situation.

The man claimed to be a racist.
The man said he wanted to kill BLM protesters.
The man went looking for BLM protesters with a loaded weapon.
The man killed a BLM protester.

Are we not to take him on his word?

Does this mean I can post I want to kill a police officer and then shoot one? Is my unwittnessed claim that the officer lifted his weapon enough for me to be absolved of a crime?

I am just "standing my ground." Am I not?

 

[rdwight]

The man claimed to be a racist.
The man said he wanted to kill BLM protesters.
The man went looking for BLM protesters with a loaded weapon
The man killed a BLM protester.

And then posters wonder why i hate news that are not accurate. Your first two points are wrong. The third a possibility you state as fact. For people so sure of their side why are there always distortions, false admissions and lies.

 

[acbytesla]

And then posters wonder why i hate news that are not accurate. Your first two points are wrong. The third a possibility you state as fact. For people so sure of their side why are there always distortions, false admissions and lies.

This is what I have read. Are you saying it is incorrect? That this isn't Rittenhouse all over?

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
The man claimed to be a racist.
The man said he wanted to kill BLM protesters.
The man went looking for BLM protesters with a loaded weapon
The man killed a BLM protester.

And then posters wonder why i hate news that are not accurate. Your first two points are wrong. The third a possibility you state as fact. For people so sure of their side why are there always distortions, false admissions and lies.

I'd say his points were not wrong considering the things Perry has written. There is also a photo of an exchange between Perry and another man. Justin Smith, I can't snip and post because it includes the F word. They are discussing Perry killing BLM protesters:

Perry: "I will only shoot the ones in front and push the pedal to the metal,"
"Look I will barely have ammo left over with this tactic. I have to
conserve ammo for the trip back home, "
"No protesters go near me or my car."
Smith: "Can you catch me a negro daddy?"
Perry: "That is what I am hoping."

The newly revealed documents show that in May of 2020, several weeks ahead of the shooting, Perry wrote in a Facebook message that he "might have to kill" some of the individuals protesting outside his apartment.
Perry also sent a text in the same month that read, "I might go to Dallas to shoot looters," and included other "white power" memes.
The Houston Chronicle also reported a 2019 message written by Perry saying that it was "to [sic] bad we can't get paid for hunting Muslims in Europe."

Perry repeatedly made racist comments about the Black Lives Matter protests.

"It is official I am a racist because I do not agree with people acting like animals at the zoo. I was on the side of the protestors until they started with the looting and the violence," he wrote in June 2020.

The documents also show that Perry also compared "black lives matter movement to a zoo full of monkeys that are freaking out flinging their *****." In another post from May 31, 2020, Perry wrote, "If this symbol represents racism in America… (shows confederate flag) SO DO THESE (shows NAACP logo, Hispanic Scholarship fund, America Association for Affirmative Action, BET, UNCP, the democratic party logo, etc."

https://www.salon.com/2023/04/14/ho...essages-by-man-abbott-wants-to-pardon-in-blm/

Abbott pardoning this POS is inexcusable.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

...George Floyd ... His death was a tragic accident caused by his own actions.

Sonny, I've been in fights, I've manhandled my share. I saw the video. George Floyd was murdered. I'd suggest a reenactment as a way to demonstrate how, but I'm late for yawning practice.

 

[acbytesla]

So rdwight, is Stacyhs correct? If it is, my post appears to be generally accurate. That the man is a racist And he went looking for an opportunity to kill.

Or do you still feel I should make a retraction?

 

[rdwight]

So rdwight, is Stacyhs correct? If it is, my post appears to be generally accurate. That the man is a racist And he went looking for an opportunity to kill.

Or do you still feel I should make a retraction?

I honestly find it annoying on a forum of intelligent people I can't just say he is being sarcastic and facetious. So i literally have to go through the 82 page document to get examples to show what is plainly obvious to anyone reading it. But it is good because I have to correct myself as well. There are public facebook posts as well, not just private messages of him saying racist stuff. He's pretty run of the mill "blacks be doing crime" variety of racist. As for the "I am a racist" comment, here is a post from a day before and a conversation he had the same day as posting.

Thank you rioters. You have taken a situation where almost
every single American stood i n solidarity, against a despicable injustice...and now
you have made the whole issue about how much you do not know how to function in
a normal society. You are your own worst enemy.

"OUTGOING MESSAGE: Random question
OUTGOING MESSAGE: Yes?
*QUTGOING MESSAGE TO JUSTIN SMITH VIA FACEBOOK
MESSENGER - I am talking to a black chick.
*JUSTIN SMITH - Yesssd?
OUTGOING MESSAGE: Am I raciest for thinking the way the black lives
matter movement is like a bunch of monkeys flinging **** at a zoo due to the fact
they they demand white people give their houses to a poor black family and the
way their protests always seem to turn violent.?
OUTGOING MESSAGE: For example my parents own a 4 bed room house and
the BLM movement believe that my parents should give their house to a poor
black family and pretty much live in a one bed room house that they should buy
with money they dont have."

If you want to say his exact words are him saying he is a racist, I am not going to argue, but what he meant seems clear. He thinks himself a bold truth teller.

They are discussing Perry killing BLM protesters:

Why if you have access to that chat do you cut off the sentences before?

DANIEL PERRY: I might have to kill a few people on my way to work they are rioting outside my apartment complex.
JUSTIN SMITH: Can you legally do so?
DANIEL PERRY: If they attack me or try to pull me out my car then yes.DANIEL PERRY: If I just do it because I am driving by then no.
JUSTIN SMITH: yea right lol
JUSTIN SMITH: make sure to use only 1 shot on the protestor so i f they try to flood
you, You got enough rounds for them all.

He literally says rioters, not protesters. If you look through his post history, it is obvious he is always referring to looters and rioters. Removing this text literally hurts your point since his description would seem like what a prosecutor would show as the situation he got into. But the actual words matter. When you misrepresent them, I am less likely to believe what else you say.

I am hyper sensitive to this in regards to criminal justice stuff of late because there is just so much nonsense. Journalists shouldn't be mouth pieces for the prosecution when their politics align with them or the defense when a case falls a different way. Wanting transparency from news sources does not mean I side with anyone, but it should be something expected from everyone.

 

[acbytesla]

I honestly find it annoying on a forum of intelligent people I can't just say he is being sarcastic and facetious. So i literally have to go through the 82 page document to get examples to show what is plainly obvious to anyone reading it. But it is good because I have to correct myself as well. There are public facebook posts as well, not just private messages of him saying racist stuff. He's pretty run of the mill "blacks be doing crime" variety of racist. As for the "I am a racist" comment, here is a post from a day before and a conversation he had the same day as posting.

You can to me. But I'm unconvinced that he was. It doesn't seem obvious to me. He might not be a member of the Klan, but he definitely sounds like someone who has turned against people of color. There are definitely undertones of bigotry in his posts. Anyone who would compare people of color to monkeys flinging their poop. I also don't think anyone joking about killing people and then proceeding to do just that had to be telling a funny.

If you want to say his exact words are him saying he is a racist, I am not going to argue, but what he meant seems clear. He thinks himself a bold truth teller.

Yes he does. He doesn't sound like Byron De La Beckwith. More like Archie Bunker.

Why if you have access to that chat do you cut off the sentences before?

I didn't. I hadn't read all that. Yes, that doesn't soften his appearance somewhat.

He literally says rioters, not protesters. If you look through his post history, it is obvious he is always referring to looters and rioters. Removing this text literally hurts your point since his description would seem like what a prosecutor would show as the situation he got into. But the actual words matter. When you misrepresent them, I am less likely to believe what else you say.

Granted

I am hyper sensitive to this in regards to criminal justice stuff of late because there is just so much nonsense. Journalists shouldn't be mouth pieces for the prosecution when their politics align with them or the defense when a case falls a different way. Wanting transparency from news sources does not mean I side with anyone, but it should be something expected from everyone.

Yes, journalists shouldn't be mouthpieces for the prosecution. I am hypersensitive to African Americans getting the short end of the stick. Being shot at and being killed at numbers absurdly high. And every time a white person kills a person of color, they become a cause celebre for the far right.

We saw Kyle Rittenhouse commit murder and walk. Now this. I can't help but wonder if we can expect the Georgia Governor pardoning the killers of Ahmaud Arbery.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

self defense claim

One does not need to know anything about Mr. Perry's prior conversations to find him guilty. As discussed upthread, the evidence that Mr. Foster did not raise his weapon is quite strong, and without that, Mr. Perry has nothing.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

other cases of possible self defense

"For instance, Texas criminal appeals attorney Doug Gladden pointed to Braughton v. State. A dude, Dominguez, got into a drunken fight with his girlfriend in the middle of the day, as one does. The dude starts riding home on his motorcycle when he encounters the defendants father, and starts revving his engine and tailgating him for some road ragey reason. The father calls his son and says he’s scared. When they get to the front of the defendant’s home, the dude starts screaming and beating the father, even after the defendant says he has a gun. When the dude reaches for his satchel, the defendant shot him. This resulted in a conviction and a sentence of twenty years in jail, and the Court of Appeals said it was fine, over a dissent.

But nobody has talked about pardoning Braughton. Or any of the dozens of other much stronger self-defense cases that have been upheld on appeal." Link. The pardon reeks of hypocrisy.

 

[Stacyhs]

I honestly find it annoying on a forum of intelligent people I can't just say he is being sarcastic and facetious. So i literally have to go through the 82 page document to get examples to show what is plainly obvious to anyone reading it. But it is good because I have to correct myself as well. There are public facebook posts as well, not just private messages of him saying racist stuff. He's pretty run of the mill "blacks be doing crime" variety of racist. As for the "I am a racist" comment, here is a post from a day before and a conversation he had the same day as posting.





If you want to say his exact words are him saying he is a racist, I am not going to argue, but what he meant seems clear. He thinks himself a bold truth teller.

Most racists do think themselves 'bold truth tellers'. How else would they think of themselves? As cowardly liars?

Why if you have access to that chat do you cut off the sentences before?

If you had looked at the link I provided, which is what I read, you'd have seen that the sentences* you claim I "cut off" were not included:

*"DANIEL PERRY: I might have to kill a few people on my way to work they are rioting outside my apartment complex."

He literally says rioters, not protesters. If you look through his post history, it is obvious he is always referring to looters and rioters. Removing this text literally hurts your point since his description would seem like what a prosecutor would show as the situation he got into. But the actual words matter. When you misrepresent them, I am less likely to believe what else you say.

He literally says "protesters":

"Perry: "I will only shoot the ones in front and push the pedal to the metal,"
"Look I will barely have ammo left over with this tactic. I have to
conserve ammo for the trip back home, "
"No protesters go near me or my car."

Is Perry referring to "looters" and "rioters" only here, too?

Smith: "Can you catch me a negro daddy?"
Perry: "That is what I am hoping."

Perry also says:

"Am I raciest for thinking the way the black lives matter movement is like a bunch of monkeys flinging **** at a zoo"

Not "looters". Not "rioters". He is comparing the BLM movement itself to monkeys flinging ****.

I think it's pretty clear that Perry equates the BLM protesters with looters and rioters and doesn't make much, if any, distinction between them.

I am hyper sensitive to this in regards to criminal justice stuff of late because there is just so much nonsense. Journalists shouldn't be mouth pieces for the prosecution when their politics align with them or the defense when a case falls a different way. Wanting transparency from news sources does not mean I side with anyone, but it should be something expected from everyone.

Perhaps we should expect someone to look at the link provided before accusing someone of "removing text" and "misrepresenting" it.

 

[Planigale]

Interesting that he pardons a man that admits he did kill someone, but won't stop the executions of people who almost certainly didn't.

Larry Swearingen (Texas, convicted 2000, executed 2019)
Robert Pruett (Texas, convicted 2002, executed 2017)
Richard Masterson (Texas, convicted 2002, executed 2016)

 

[Chris_Halkides]

testimony of the witnesses

"It was refuted over and over during the first three days of the trial by witnesses who were near Foster that night. All repeated a version of the same story: They heard squealing tires as a car sped into a group of about 20 protesters. The protesters, some of whom had almost been hit by the car, slapped and kicked it. Garrett Foster strode to the car's side and issued an order to the driver. All of the witnesses insisted that Foster did not raise the barrel of his gun. According to the D.A.'s lead prosecutor, Guillermo Gonzalez, his gun was recovered with the safety still on and no bullet in the chamber." link
It would be helpful to know the cross-examination of these witnesses.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I honestly find it annoying on a forum of intelligent people I can't just say he is being sarcastic and facetious.

If that fantasy is comforting to you, so be it, it's not up to us to convince you. But at the same time you cannot come onto a forum and just think the rest of us will blindly accept the false picture of a situation you have painted for yourself.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

people more deserving of pardon than Perry

Interesting that he pardons a man that admits he did kill someone, but won't stop the executions of people who almost certainly didn't.

Larry Swearingen (Texas, convicted 2000, executed 2019)
Robert Pruett (Texas, convicted 2002, executed 2017)
Richard Masterson (Texas, convicted 2002, executed 2016)

There is no credible forensic evidence against Cameron Todd Willingham or James Earhardt, although there is a chance that the latter individual is guilty. The case of the two people named Carlos was probably one of mistaken identity; Carols DeLuna was executed. At least Timothy Cole, who died in prison, was pardoned. Governor Abbott could have made a much better choice.

 

[rdwight]

Most racists do think themselves 'bold truth tellers'. How else would they think of themselves? As cowardly liars?

The point I was refuting was that he called himself a racist, as in proudly proclaiming it. If we have a conversation about something and you say I hate black people because i said I believe in longer prison sentences, and I respond by saying "I hate black people because i believe in longer prison sentences apparently" that is not me admitting to hating black people.

If you had looked at the link I provided, which is what I read, you'd have seen that the sentences* you claim I "cut off" were not included:

And again, this is literally what I am pointing out when I complain about the articles but for some reason I keep getting push back. I had to go to the source just to get the actual text.

He literally says "protesters":
Is Perry referring to "looters" and "rioters" only here, too?

This is all from the exact same conversation. Here is the complete thing.

DANIEL PERRY: I might have to kill a few people on my way to work they are rioting outside my apartment complex.
JUSTIN SMITH: Can you legally do so?
DANIEL PERRY: If they attack me or try to pull me out my car then yes.
DANIEL PERRY: If I just do it because I am driving by then no.
JUSTIN SMITH: yea right lol
JUSTIN SMITH: make sure to use only | shot on the protestor so i f they try to flood you, You got enough rounds for them all.
DANIEL PERRY: I will only shoot the ones in front and push the pedal to the
metal.
JUSTIN SMITH: You got that much control over your blood tust?
JUSTIN SMITH: Lol boy have you matured. All you would beat the **** out of
them then rape a few.
DANIEL PERRY: Look I would probably barely have ammo left over with this
tactic I have to conserve my ammo for the trip back to home
JUSTIN SMITH: Get a bigger clip lol
DANIEL PERRY: It is not about the clip I only have 150 rounds
JUSTIN SMITH: Lol your fiiinnnneee
DANIEL PERRY: Dude I need to save ammo for when I go up to Dallas to visit you.
DANIEL PERRY: There are at least a thousand rioters and they probably have guns.JUSTIN SMITH: What will be the turnout you think
DANIEL PERRY: No protestors go near me or my car
JUSTIN SMITH: Can you catch me a negro daddy
DANIEL PERRY: That is what I am hoping
JUSTIN SMITH: Yayy

Not a good person. Still clearly talking about rioters and people being violent.

Perhaps we should expect someone to look at the link provided before accusing someone of "removing text" and "misrepresenting" it.

I don't know why it is important to distort his messages. Can you explain why journalists are omitting text and quoting portions that cut off the words rioters/looters and generalizing as protesters?

"It was refuted over and over during the first three days of the trial by witnesses who were near Foster that night. All repeated a version of the same story: They heard squealing tires as a car sped into a group of about 20 protesters. The protesters, some of whom had almost been hit by the car, slapped and kicked it. Garrett Foster strode to the car's side and issued an order to the driver. All of the witnesses insisted that Foster did not raise the barrel of his gun. According to the D.A.'s lead prosecutor, Guillermo Gonzalez, his gun was recovered with the safety still on and no bullet in the chamber." link
It would be helpful to know the cross-examination of these witnesses.

I do wonder if the wording is accurate. Did they all say he didn't raise the barrel or that he didn't aim? This is the problem with a high stress situations involving guns. Taken in totality, his car is surrounded at night with people hitting and kicking it and the guy outside his window is holding a riffle. Was he wearing it or holding it? If he is holding it wouldnt take much movement in that scenario for someone to think he was raising it.

That is all just relitigating the case though. I am more interesting in the "exculpatory evidence" Abbot referred to. I don't have a lot of trust in parole boards when it comes to high profile cases and even less when they are appointed by the person looking for the pardon. And I haven't even seen information on how they reached their decision.

This article mentions some that Perry's lawyers mention but nothing is really standing out there.

It said the evidence that was not allowed to be admitted would have shown that Foster scared other drivers during previous protest marches. On July 4, 2020, Foster blocked a driver named Joe Sanchez by standing in front of Sanchez's car and then protesters swarmed the car, Perry's lawyer said.

On June 27, 2020, a Door Dash driver was driving past Austin police headquarters downtown when Foster tried to block the street by using his partner's wheelchair and protesters surrounded the driver's car, the motion says. It says the driver pulled a handgun and protesters backed away from his car.

I guess those could show a pattern of behavior that would sway someone about Perry being the one that initiated the confrontation vs Foster and others.

If that fantasy is comforting to you, so be it, it's not up to us to convince you. But at the same time you cannot come onto a forum and just think the rest of us will blindly accept the false picture of a situation you have painted for yourself.

What fantasy. Don't agree with me, not really an issue. But I am showing plainly what I take issue with and giving direct evidence from the source. There is nothing fantastical about it.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Texas Governor Abbott plans to pardon man convicted of murdering BLM protestor

Decide for yourself if it was self-defense after you read this:

This ******* was armed and looking for trouble. He hasn't even been sentenced yet, but Gov. Abattoir is ready to pardon him.

Good grief, talk about leaving out key information. You forgot to mention that the BLM "protestor" was carrying an AK-47 and pointed it at Perry, which is why Perry, understandably, began firing at him. What in the devil was that "protestor" doing carrying an AK-47? Huh? What would you do if you were in a car and someone raised their AK-47 and pointed it straight at you? Wait to see if they shoot you?

You guys scream against assault rifles, but when a BLM rioter brings one to a "protest," I guess you're okay with that.