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A Universal Flood

What about the problem Noah had sexing the various animals. A lot of animals don't wear neon signs indicating their sex and require special skills to distinquish the sexes.

When he was over in Australia gathering up platypi did he know to look for the poison spur to make sure he got a male?

And then there's the fun of sexing crocodiles. It seems one must actually stick one's hand inside the crocodile and feel around to determine what the sex is. Just attempting this might have gotten the whole enterprise off to a bad start in that I imagine the crocodiles are not altogether cooperative about this and they just might have eaten Noah. Of course, if he had managed to get past that initial uncomfortable stage, Noah might have made a friend for life of the lucky crocodile he was working on.

Other than the problem of sexing the animals though, the whole story seems completely plausible. Thanks to Marquis de Carabas for shooting down all of the other minor little sticking points.
 
davefoc said:
What about the problem Noah had sexing the various animals. A lot of animals don't wear neon signs indicating their sex and require special skills to distinquish the sexes.

When he was over in Australia gathering up platypi did he know to look for the poison spur to make sure he got a male?

And then there's the fun of sexing crocodiles. It seems one must actually stick one's hand inside the crocodile and feel around to determine what the sex is. Just attempting this might have gotten the whole enterprise off to a bad start in that I imagine the crocodiles are not altogether cooperative about this and they just might have eaten Noah. Of course, if he had managed to get past that initial uncomfortable stage, Noah might have made a friend for life of the lucky crocodile he was working on.

Other than the problem of sexing the animals though, the whole story seems completely plausible. Thanks to Marquis de Carabas for shooting down all of the other minor little sticking points.
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Silly Davefoc. God just sent Steve Irvin back in time for such jobs, then sent him back(?) to our time again once he was done. I can't believe you didn't know that. :p
 
Hawk one wrote:
Silly Davefoc. God just sent Steve Irvin back in time for such jobs, then sent him back(?) to our time again once he was done. I can't believe you didn't know that
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Yes, I guess that's the obvious answer, but I'm not sure that it's going to be as widely accepted by some of the nitpicking skeptics as you might think.

Is Christian going to post his top ten list as to why a universal flood could not happen? I would like to see it.
 
Diogenes said:
Me too..

However, just one; " Not enough water .. ", would seem to stop this inquiry, dead in it's tracks..
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Well, where do you think the ice caps came from? All that water had to go someplace after the flood! :D
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
I strongly suspect that the words "with God, all things are possible" will find their way onto the list.
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Thus God pointlessly murdered a worlds worth of animals, babies and non sinners, and then had Noah and family act out an artificial and needless flood story, with any reality gaps being plugged by God.
 
Why was Noah or whoever was the original oral source of this story so sure that the flood killed everybody? Maybe there was some people that were on boats or had boats nearby so that they survived, also.
 
davefoc said:
Why was Noah or whoever was the original oral source of this story so sure that the flood killed everybody? Maybe there was some people that were on boats or had boats nearby so that they survived, also.
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Well, if God sent the flood to kill everyone not on the ark, and someone else survived, then God failed. Since God not failing (in lieu of iron chariots) is a premise, there's no reason to look for survivors; of course they all died.
 
Regarding sexing animals etc., it seems to me many moons ago my CCD teacher said something about God granting Noah the ability to recognize things about animals and animals to recognize him as a friend (so alligators and such didn't try to eat him). Kind of like a AD&D druid spell.

On the other hand, I haven't seen an explanation yet for where the water went after. If it came from the firmament then did God create a big shop vac and suck it back up there?
 
Odin said:
Thus God pointlessly murdered a worlds worth of animals, babies and non sinners, and then had Noah and family act out an artificial and needless flood story, with any reality gaps being plugged by God.
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And god picked a real winner with Noah: Genesis 9:20-21. (Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent.)

http://www.metroplexatheists.org/gideons.htm
 
Iacchus said:
I see no reason why this should be taken in the literal sense. Do you? And, while it is possible that somebody built the ark and made an attempt to save all the known species -- or, those which were deemed most essential -- I doubt very much that it entailed every single species there is. That sounds just a bit too absurd don't you think?
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Is there an index somewhere in the Bible that I've missed showing which parts are absurd metaphors and which parts are supposed to be taken literally? This would resolve a lot of the confusion.
 
from this site http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/flood12.asp:
..If the waters are still here, why are the highest mountains not still covered with water, as they were in Noah’s day? Psalm 104 suggests an answer. After the waters covered the mountains (verse 6), God rebuked them and they fled (verse 7); the mountains rose, the valleys sank down (verse 8) and God set a boundary so that they will never again cover the earth (verse 9).18 They are the same waters!
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The basic idea here is that most of the flood waters were from the existing oceans. God just raised the ocean floor to cover the mountains (and maybe lowered the mountains if there wasn't enough water) and then when he was pretty sure he'd got everybody except Noah and his group he moved all the mountains valleys back. So no need to create and then get rid of a lot of water.
 
I though of a way in which the ark story could be true.

Someone, possibly called Noah, gets some idea about the end of the world and decides to build an ark, he trys very hard to get all the wood together and builds something that could be describes as a boat. He gathers a load of goats and sheep etc, it rains a bit the boat falls to bits and everyone concerned walks off very disappointed, The End.
 
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