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A Universal Flood

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Can someone give me the top ten reasons why a universal flood could not happen?

Can someone gime me the top ten reasons why the ark part could not happen (all the animals in the ark)?
 
Christian said:
Can someone give me the top ten reasons why a universal flood could not happen?
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I'm not certain it could not happen. However, if you refer to the Biblical flood, I have read that the volume of water described falling in the amount of time allowed would have eroded the world smooth, as well as killing everything. I don't see why nine more reasons are necessary.

Can someone gime me the top ten reasons why the ark part could not happen (all the animals in the ark)?
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The top reason is lack of available space in the ark as defined Biblically. Again, I don't see what good nine more reasons would be.
 
Diogenes said:
Touched upon by the Marquis, but..


Why ten ? How about 1 ?

The flood..

Not enough water..


The ark.

Not enough room.
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Sorry, I'm doing some research. I would need a little more than this. A link would be nice.
 
Christian said:
Can someone give me the top ten reasons why a universal flood could not happen?
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I assume you mean "global" flood, not "universal"? A universal flood could not happen for several reasons that I can think of off the top of my head, but lack of that much water is one.
Can someone gime me the top ten reasons why the ark part could not happen (all the animals in the ark)?
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Aside from Marquis de Carabas's point about the Biblical dimensions not allowing room for two of every animal, there is also the consideration of fact of transportating animals from the great distances from parts of the planet that were, by all evidence, unknown to the people of Noah's time and location.

There is also the problem that a single male-female pair is insufficent for sustaining a species. Especially given that many animals are carnivors and the selection of prey would be limited to those animals in the Ark.
 
Can someone give me the top ten reasons why the fish would need an ark to survive a universal flood ?
 
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Upchurch said:
I assume you mean "global" flood, not "universal"? A universal flood could not happen for several reasons that I can think of off the top of my head, but lack of that much water is one.
Aside from Marquis de Carabas's point about the Biblical dimensions not allowing room for two of every animal, there is also the consideration of fact of transportating animals from the great distances from parts of the planet that were, by all evidence, unknown to the people of Noah's time and location.
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Yes, in Spanish we say universal when meaning global in relation to the flood.

There is also the problem that a single male-female pair is insufficent for sustaining a species. Especially given that many animals are carnivors and the selection of prey would be limited to those animals in the Ark.
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I would consider this one on the top ten. Thanks Upchurch.
 
One of the most interesting things to me is that the story of the flood is one of multiple FAILURES on god's part.

First, he created mankind to live in paradise. He obviously failed there and within a short time decided he needed to destroy nearly everyone and start over.

Second, he brought the flood to wipe out wickedness in the world. He obviously failed at that as well.

So just why is it that Christians love this story so much?
 
Christian
Ossai, are you sure about those links?
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While the information presented is in a slightly humorous form, the information presented can be checked for accuracy. Did you have a problem with a specific point made?

I just checked the links again – it seems to be hit or miss as to whether or not they load. If that is the problem, wait a few minutes and try again.

Try copying and pasting it directly: http://members.aol.com/darrwin/things.htm


You can also try
http://www.holysmoke.org/thought.htm

Ossai
 
On the idea of carnivores, lions, for example, eat on average 8 to 9 kg of meat per day, but can eat up to 25 kg (females) or 43 kg (males). Here are some more examples of the food needs of other carnivores:
Bobcat -- 40 lbs/week
Cougar or Leopard -- 100-150 lbs/week
Lion or Tiger -- 200-250 lbs/week
Fox -- 25 lbs/week
Coyote -- 25 lbs/week
Bear -- 100 lbs/week
One animal refuge that keeps 40 large carnivores states that it goes through 10,000 pounds of meat per month, so for every 40 carnivores on the ark, Noah would have needed about 12,500 pound of meat for the trip. If he had 100 carnivores, he needed over 31,000 pounds of meat.

Because refrigeration technology in Noah's time would have been a bit inadequte for the job, the best way to keep that much meat fresh would be to keep it "on the hoof," which means they would have had to have literally herds of game animals (plus smaller animals, such as rodents, etc., for the smaller carnivores) just to provide food! So now you've got to have tons of grain to feed not ony the Representative Pairs of herbivores, but to keep the food animals alive as long as they're needed.

Let's not even get into whether Noah took animals by kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, or species. If the anti-evolutionists are correct, then all the species already existed, right? Global species estimates range from 2 million to 100 million species. Ten million is probably nearer the mark. Only 1.4 million species have been named. Of these, approximately 250,000 are plants and 750,000 are insects. Yes, we can rule out birds (can we?) and aquatic creatures, but that still leaves millions of species of land animals.

What about dinosaurs?

As anyone with so much as half a ganglion bundle can see, the logistics of the whole thing quickly approach the absurd.


11th Commandment (the one we never hear about): Thou Shalt Not Think About This Stuff.
 
Psi Baba said:
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Yes, we can rule out birds (can we?) and aquatic creatures,
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If we can assume that all the birds can land occasionally on the ark, I guess we can omit them. However, except for those that feed off fish (and see below), Noah might need to keep some food around for them.

Aquatic creatures have their own problems, though. If the entire world is covered with water, and all the water is mixed together, nobody's going to be loving their pH levels. Depending upon the rapidity and drasticness of the level change as the world floods, it could be fatal to a great many species. Don't be so sure Noah didn't require a whole wing of aquaria on his (increasingly absurd) dinghy.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
If we can assume that all the birds can land occasionally on the ark, I guess we can omit them. However, except for those that feed off fish (and see below), Noah might need to keep some food around for them.

Aquatic creatures have their own problems, though. If the entire world is covered with water, and all the water is mixed together, nobody's going to be loving their pH levels. Depending upon the rapidity and drasticness of the level change as the world floods, it could be fatal to a great many species. Don't be so sure Noah didn't require a whole wing of aquaria on his (increasingly absurd) dinghy.
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Maybe it wasn't an ark at all but he was a Time Lord with a Tardis, maybe he was Rassillon himself. :o
 
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