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A Thread for Democrats Being Useless

If you take your off-topic anti-vaxxer rant to the appropriate thread, I’ll gladly address it, but I can’t help you with your inability to recognize as an insurrection the armed mob of Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. That is reality-denial beyond my capacity to resolve. I did however enjoy your implication that assaulting cops is okay as long as you don’t kill them.
 
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If you take your off-topic anti-vaxxer rant to the appropriate thread, I’ll gladly address it, but I can’t help you with your inability to recognize as an insurrection the armed mob of Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. That is reality-denial beyond my capacity to resolve.
I did however enjoy your implication that assaulting cops is okay as long as you don’t kill them.
Well, the bible does allow you to beat your slaves as long as you don't kill them.

Exodus 21:20-21

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
 
What "armed insurrection" against the government?
My reference to the "armed insurrections" was to call out the posters on the forum who kept insisting an armed insurrection to an oppressive government was inevitable and encouraging people to buy guns and arm themselves. I found it funny then, because I knew that those screaming about this the most, were also the same ones who would clutch pearls the moment a strike or a protest march occurred. And I was right...the very same people who promoted the possibility of an armed insurrection were also clutching pearls at the possibility of a government shutdown if the Dems unanimously voted against Trump's CR. What did they think would happen during an armed uprising?
 
CNN Poll: Democratic Party’s favorability drops to a record low (CNN, Mar 16, 2025)
he Democratic Party’s favorability rating among Americans stands at a record low, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, fueled in part by dimming views from its own frustrated supporters.
With many in the party saying publicly that their leaders should do more to stand up to President Donald Trump, Democrats and Democratic-aligned independents say, 57% to 42%, that Democrats should mainly work to stop the Republican agenda, rather than working with the GOP majority to get some Democratic ideas into legislation.
And the is from before Chuck Schumer et al. "voted with Republicans in the chamber to advance a GOP-authored spending bill to avert a government shutdown."

Work with Republicans
Sep 2017: 74% --> Mar 2025: 42%

Work to stop the Republican agenda
Sep 2017: 23% --> Mar 2025: 57%
 
What "armed insurrection" against the government?

American centrism is not the least bit weird but is the way forward, since the majority of the country is center-right. Thank goodness there were nine sane Democrats in the Senate who were willing to vote to keep the government funded, and three cheers for Chuck Schumer for rejecting a filibuster.
Oh, look, Nazi apologists and centrists on the same side. Funny how it always ends up that way.
 
Awww, his imaginary friends would have loved the trip.

Schumer says that he is accompanied everywhere he goes by two imaginary middle-class friends, who advise him on all manner of middle-class concerns. Their names, until recently, were Joe and Eileen O’Reilly. “For the book’s sake, we wanted them to be more national,” Schumer said, “so they became the Baileys.” The Baileys live in Massapequa, in Nassau County, a town that is invariably known on Long Island as “Matzoh-Pizza.” The Baileys are both forty-five years old: Joe works for an insurance company, Eileen is a part-time employee at a doctor’s office. They worry about terrorism, and about values, and they are patriots—“Joe takes off his cap and sings along with the national anthem before the occasional Islanders game,” Schumer wrote. He elaborated, “They’re not ideologues. They’re worried about property taxes. It’s the tax they hate. And that’s what Democrats don’t get.” He has also drafted the Baileys in defending the C.I.A.’s human-intelligence program: “Had Joe and Eileen been in the room after the hum-int screwup, they would not have indulged in the blame game, gutted the human-intelligence program, or weakened America.”

Keep in mind, that was from 20 years ago.
 
See if you can catch the fundamental mistake in this post on the most popular (in terms of net favorability) politician right now:

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders gets the #1 spot, with 46% of adults saying they view him favorably and 39% unfavorably.
Here's a hint: Compared to Sanders' net favorable rating of 7%, the Democrats (as a party) are -35%. Now think about what that implies; if we assume no undecideds, it would mean that the Democrats had a favorable rating of 32.5% and an unfavorable rating of 67.5%. But who has been ragging on the Democrats lately? Yes of course the Republicans, but that is nothing new. The real change is that the left and liberals are pissed at the Democrats for their apparent capitulation after the election. Sanders has been quite vocal about his opposition to Trump, which means he is not bleeding as much support compared to the other Democrats (note that Newsom is significantly underwater with a -15% net favorability, and Chuck Shumer is nearly as toxic as his party).
The fundamental mistake is that most leftists and most liberals will come back to the Democrats in 2028 no matter how annoyed they are at the lack of a resistance today. The idea that Sanders, who will be 87 years old, can lead the Donks into the future is absurd and so the post concludes with a suggestion that 2028 will be a proxy war between Sanders and Trump (term-limited out).
So AOC instead of Sanders? I do note that the two are doing a speaking tour together, and she is absolutely eligible pending the long-form birth certificate (yes I am kidding, jeez, see here for my 2009 take on the Birthers).
 
They are going to try really hard to make it Newsom. Maybe Chris Murphy, who is talking the talk but still banks to the right when it comes time for actual policy and action. Honestly, the whole neoliberal/Friends of Clinton wing of the party has needed to sit out for a while now.
 
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Remember that record-breaking filibuster from Corey Booker that didn't actually prevent any legislation? Well, more performative nonsense. This time, he's joined by Hakeem Jeffries.

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Sen. Cory Booker voiced their opposition to the Republican budget plan key to enacting President Trump's agenda as the sun rose on Sunday, holding a sit-in protest on the steps of the Capitol that lasted more than 12 hours.
What the hell are they stopping on a Sunday morning? They didn't have enough people to block the steps. They were just out on a Sunday vibing with some folks. And why has Hakeem Jeffries been going around to public appearances in track suits and sneakers? Does he think that makes him cool and relatable? and Booker saying corny ◊◊◊◊ like "I miss Obama...AND HER HUSBAND!"

Booker is frustrating because it seems sometimes he actually does get it and wants to improve things. He is just so scared of going off script and upsetting his donors. He is really overmanaged.

It wasn't a terrible idea, but the execution was very typical of the Democrats.
 
So David Hogg, a young anti-gun activist, got himself elected in February as one of the (five) vice-chairs of the Democratic National Committee. He's also formed a PAC called Leaders We Deserve, which plans to spend millions funding challengers to older Democrats in safe seats. As you can imagine, this has not endeared him to older Democrats in safe seats. Now it turns out there may have been a mistake in the voting process:

DNC rules require that the national party's executive committee "shall be as equally divided as practicable" along gender lines. (If the committee includes members who identify as non-binary, they don't count for the purposes of gender division.) As DNC members met earlier this year for the multi-hour process of voting in a new slate of officers, the vote for the three vice chairs being the last position to be filled, it became clear that the party needed to elect at least one man to the final two vice chair spots to maintain the required gender equity on the seven-person executive committee.

The party then decided to hold a single vote to decide the final two slots instead of holding separate votes for each position.

Free claimed that the combined ballot unfairly benefited Hogg and Kenyatta, the only two men left in the race, because members had to vote for at least one man on the combined ballot. She argued it's possible they could have voted differently if the ballots were separated.
My mind does boggle a bit at the required "equal as practicable" rule for a seven-person committee; suddenly the presence of a non-binary person makes sense (which may be the purpose of not counting them). But given the requirements, Free has a good argument. If you tell people they are voting for two people, and the result must be that at least one man wins or we've wasted a bunch of time and have to do it over again, you are almost certainly going to get people voting for two men, just to be sure they don't get stuck re-voting.
 
I just read about Hogg being ousted, because some of the older folks didn't like his progress. Too bad, because he's tenacious and I thought me might be able to get something done.
 
Primarying incumbents as a broad strategy is pretty bonkers, though.
Pretty much the only way to make progress in a two-party system though. Especially with districts so heavily Gerrymandered. Failure to primary useless Democrats in Blue districts gives you... this.
 
Ah, once more, Nazi Apologists and centrists working hand in glove.

And I like the Post's framing.

Since the PAC was founded,

In 2023

Hogg has pocketed more than $175,000,

What does that mean? Has he been paid a salary? Does that include reimbursing expenses? If its salary, $87,500 a year seems a lot, but he'd be working in DC and probably somewhere else. Representatives get that much per year and they maintain 2 residences.

And the accusations of self-dealing from career political consultants would be hysterical i it weren't just setting up for more Democratic losses.

The Democrats are seeing real grassroots support for their agenda, but they can't have anything that doesn't come through the consultant class and they can't let anyone jump ahead. Everyone has to wait their turn.
 
The Big Beautiful Spending Bill passed by 1 vote in the House. 3 Democrats have died so far this term.

1) Jerry Connolly - 77 cancer related

2) Raúl Grijalva - 75 cancer related

3) Sylvester Turner - 70 undisclosed

Republicans were in full panic mode in the beginning of the term. Trump pulled Elise Stefanik's appointment as UN ambassador to hold on to her seat. They had a historically slim majority. The Democrats just keep finding new and exciting ways to hand Republicans victory.
 
Centrist Dems held an event this weekend called WelcomeFest. And it was everything you expected from these useless nerds.

The event, blazoned with the sizzling theme of “Responsibility to Win,”
I bet those t-shirts are going to be the new hot style this summer

Liam Kerr, the cofounder of WelcomePAC, the group that brought WelcomeFest to life. On Wednesday, Kerr wore a West Virginia University football jersey customized with former senator Joe Manchin’s name on the back
Surprised Manchin wasn't the keynote speaker.
Getting bullied online was a recurring theme of the centrist conference. But attendees were quick to emphasize that they were totally fine with it, really.
Ya, totally fine with it. That's why they totally didn't need a giant support group.
“The backlash that happens online is actually the sign that you’re doing something right,” said Adam Jentleson, who is currently distancing himself from his previous role as chief of staff to Senator John Fetterman.
Ya, good luck with that.
There were scattered references to “everyday people”
Because you wouldn't want them to bog down your discussion about politics.

You want to be really surprised? The event was funded by folks like Michael Bloomberg, members of the Walton family, Joe Manchin's daughter (the one who was CEO of the company that jacked up the price of EpiPens), the founder of LinkedIn, and Rupert Murdoch's son.
They were the sorts of people who said things like “Jake Auchincloss is great.… I love that he reads think tank reports and is a nerd,” or, “I do feel like Kyrsten Sinema was treated badly.”

These are not the people to meet the moment.
 

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