Merged 2024 Election Thread

[Aridas]

So you oppose the removal of countless memorials and monuments to Hitler in Germany after WW2? What about the removal of memorials and monuments to Communism, Stalin & Lenin that were destroyed throughout Eastern Europe after the fall of the USSR? You oppose that to??

I suppose that I can add to this a bit, too. At last check, no notable efforts by the modern "left" have been made to rewrite history by altering or erasing events from education and the history books. Relatively minor efforts have been made to improve the quality of education via some change of focus, emphasis, and added context, certainly, as is natural, though. Meanwhile, significant efforts have been made by the modern "right" to rewrite history by altering or erasing things from education and the history books in pursuit of false narrative creation. The modern day mass book bannings and burnings are also being done by the modern "right."

Removing statues was and is not altering or erasing history. Especially when the statues of that type were largely put up with obvious unpleasant motives.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Statues and monuments don't teach history, they celebrate particular persons or events. Glorification is not education, and education is not glorification. Idiots have trouble making that distinction, like when they kick off about "kids learning Islam" because their social studies class teaches them the basic tenets of each major world religion. Because it's, you know, social studies? Not catechism class? But most of us reading this post already know that because we can make the distinction between teaching and preaching, and know one learns history by reading books and not by looking at public decorative objects.

 

[dirtywick]

acting like you need statues that celebrate the confederacy in order to preserve history is just a cheap way of trying to take a moral high ground. oh, we need to keep this statue of robert e lee that was erected in the 60s so we don't repeat the same mistakes says the war was about state's rights and nothing else people. it's stupid, **** off.

 

[Hercules56]

I suppose that I can add to this a bit, too. At last check, no notable efforts by the modern "left" have been made to rewrite history by altering or erasing events from education and the history books. Relatively minor efforts have been made to improve the quality of education via some change of focus, emphasis, and added context, certainly, as is natural, though. Meanwhile, significant efforts have been made by the modern "right" to rewrite history by altering or erasing things from education and the history books in pursuit of false narrative creation. The modern day mass book bannings and burnings are also being done by the modern "right."

Removing statues was and is not altering or erasing history. Especially when the statues of that type were largely put up with obvious unpleasant motives.

"if we remove statues that honor and memorialize Hitler, we forget the Holocaust"

 

[Delvo]

"Fine people" do not march shoulder to shoulder with KKK and Neo-Nazis.

...or desecrate the light-hearted, welcoming, relaxing, "let's all just have a good time" spirit of the tiki torch.

 

[Stacyhs]

Statues and monuments don't teach history, they celebrate particular persons or events. Glorification is not education, and education is not glorification. Idiots have trouble making that distinction, like when they kick off about "kids learning Islam" because their social studies class teaches them the basic tenets of each major world religion. Because it's, you know, social studies? Not catechism class? But most of us reading this post already know that because we can make the distinction between teaching and preaching, and know one learns history by reading books and not by looking at public decorative objects.

Well said.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

ROFLMAO!! Seen the pictures of this bunch of "very fine people", pal?? Confederate flags and swastikas! Driving cars into the crowd and killing someone! It was even on Fox News, so it's unbelievable you missed it.

I can only assume now you are here just to play the really dreadful agent provacateur, being very successful at being very bad at your job.

If you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Trump berated the groups you mentioned, you have truly lost all grip on reality. Denying Trump berated those people/groups is not on the table, it's reality and fact. If you cannot accept reality, you won't like my posts. But you do need to think about them.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Statues and monuments don't teach history, they celebrate particular persons or events. Glorification is not education, and education is not glorification. Idiots have trouble making that distinction, like when they kick off about "kids learning Islam" because their social studies class teaches them the basic tenets of each major world religion. Because it's, you know, social studies? Not catechism class? But most of us reading this post already know that because we can make the distinction between teaching and preaching, and know one learns history by reading books and not by looking at public decorative objects.

Do you agree with the concept that every former slave owner should be erased from public view? All images wiped from existence?

 

[johnny karate]

If you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Trump berated the groups you mentioned, you have truly lost all grip on reality. Denying Trump berated those people/groups is not on the table, it's reality and fact. If you cannot accept reality, you won't like my posts. But you do need to think about them.

Trump is a prolific liar and often speaks in contradictions. That’s what liars do.

That he also “berated” these people is immaterial to the fact that you nor anyone else has explained how anyone in attendance at a white supremacist rally qualifies as a “very fine” person.

 

[johnny karate]

Do you agree with the concept that every former slave owner should be erased from public view? All images wiped from existence?

Monument to traitors =/= images of slave owners.

 

[Hercules56]

Do you agree with the concept that every former slave owner should be erased from public view? All images wiped from existence?

A monument honoring a Confederate hero has no place in our society.

 

[dirtywick]

if your only contribution to american history is owning slaves then yeah take the statue down.

you trump guys are stuck in 2016. want to talk about masks next?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

If you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Trump berated the groups you mentioned, you have truly lost all grip on reality. Denying Trump berated those people/groups is not on the table, it's reality and fact. If you cannot accept reality, you won't like my posts. But you do need to think about them.

You’ve been corrected on this, Clyde.

To repeat: do you think we’re stupid?

 

[TheGoldcountry]

Do you agree with the concept that every former slave owner should be erased from public view? All images wiped from existence?

Wow, forget slippery slope, that's a straight nose-dive.

Putting an end to glorifying traitors in public with statues is "wiping them from existence?"

You're welcome to have all the rebel flags and Confederate memorabilia you like. You'll forgive me if I don't want it in front of city hall.

 

[Tero]

"Biden campaign tests Trump’s name-calling strategy with ‘Broke Don’ "

Yeah, I would put it broke-ass Don.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Do you agree with the concept that every former slave owner should be erased from public view? All images wiped from existence?

Define "public view" and "images". Keep them in the history books, of course...while not whitewashing out the terrible things they did. History should be about truth, not the feelings of the reader. Present the good, bad, and ugly of what occurred. We are not gods sitting in judgment: the dead are dead, whatever our conclusions about them they are beyond caring about it. The truth can't hurt them, nothing can. History is about what actually happened, not propaganda to be used to try to win current moral or political victories.

But statues honoring people from the past? Those say more about the people putting up the statues than the people the statues are meant to represent. If someone wants to celebrate one thing about a person, and ignore other things that person did, then that's them making a judgment that the one thing outweighs the rest. But they're not more entitled to judge than their contemporaries are, or any of the following generations. Just because you have statue-money doesn't make your opinion superior, and obligate everyone present and future to respect your take on the subject. Public venues belong to the current public, not the dead, even if the dead have a statue of themselves. Expecting all statues and monuments to remain forever is like expecting the next people who own your house to keep your choice in wallpaper up.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Expecting all statues and monuments to remain forever is like expecting the next people who own your house to keep your choice in wallpaper up.

Excellent analogy!

 

[Norman Alexander]

If you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Trump berated the groups you mentioned, you have truly lost all grip on reality. Denying Trump berated those people/groups is not on the table, it's reality and fact. If you cannot accept reality, you won't like my posts. But you do need to think about them.

I'll make this brief for your short attention span.

The Unite the Right rally was the bunch of absolute ******* losers pictured with Viking shields, Confederate flags and Nazi swastikas. One of them also ran over and killed a woman by driving a car into the crowd. Trump berated the people who were protesting AGAINST the Unite the Right rally. So which of these two groups was Trump actually supporting...?? C'mon, you can answer this one correctly if you really want.

Later when the public blow-back about the first speech became too loud, because the whole world knew the answer to the above question, he was persuaded by an underling to give a second speech making a very weak-ass condemnation of his buddies the Unite the Right dip-*****. But even then, he blew up a storm because he thought he sounded like a weakling making that second speech. Because he's a brittle thin-skinned narcissist turd.

Have I connected enough dots for you yet?

 

[Craig4]

"Biden campaign tests Trump’s name-calling strategy with ‘Broke Don’ "

Yeah, I would put it broke-ass Don.

This is an example of the Dems being bad at using the PACs. The PACs can go lower than a snake's belly all they want (see SWIFT Boat Veterans for "Truth") and keep Biden's hands clean. Biden can leave it with Broke Don. The PACs can flood social media with a pictures Xi and Putin spit roasting Don while they stuff cash into his G-string.

 

[kookbreaker]

There were people there that either opposed or approved the removal of a Robert E Lee statue. Those people were not connected with any sort of Neo Nazi or White Supremacist groups (that Trump berated). Likely most of the "very fine people" either opposed the removal of the statue or were there to peacefully assemble to voice their opinion for removal.

They carried Confederate flags, Nazi flags, and hordes of other white supremacist symbols. They happily marched next to the folks who chanted "the jews will not replace us". They were, to a man, outside agitators who wanted to force a city to keep a monument to white supremacy.

One cannot rewrite History by altering or erasing it. One must learn from the mistakes of the past in order to not repeat them. Cancel culture cannot apply to History.

History doesn't need a statue of a white supremacist leader smack dab in the middle of a city with a very large minority population. Its a complete psyhotic delusion to think that removing racist statues is somehow "erasing history".

Your narrative is as false as the fake news that created it. This can be a learning experience if you're inclined. I won't hold my breath.

Stomp your little feet harder, nothing about what I said was false. You are happily carrying a torch for Nazis and white supremacists.