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well, it's a little sad to me. no denying he tried to steal the election away from the people and give it to himself. if that doesn't bother you then i'm not too bothered about what you think about anything else tbh
 
dirtywick said:
well, it's a little sad to me. no denying he tried to steal the election away from the people and give it to himself. if that doesn't bother you then i'm not too bothered about what you think about anything else tbh
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It apparently bothers you so much you are prepared to steal the election away from Trump.:thumbsup:
 
Brainster said:
It apparently bothers you so much you are prepared to steal the election away from Trump.:thumbsup:
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"Stealing" being advocating upholding the Constitution in both letter and spirit? Who is it that should be upholding the 14th Amendment, anyways? No one, when it's a Republican?
 
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Brainster said:
It apparently bothers you so much you are prepared to steal the election away from Trump.:thumbsup:
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in the same way putting him in jail would be stealing his time or fining him for his various frauds is stealing his money is this stealing an election. you get that, you just don't care or pretend not to, i don't know or care either way. that's why no one else should care if you're, at this point, coming down on that side of the fence. it's foolishness, nonsense. i don't partake.
 
Tero said:
Michigan looks bad now:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4469508-trump-tops-biden-by-2-points-in-michigan-survey/

But Israel is not Putin. Netanyahu does not have the lasting power of Putin. It will be resolved before election. Biden can claim at least a draw if not a win. And things will settle down. We send money to rebuild Gaza, eventually.
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The poll — conducted on and in the days following the release of special counsel Robert Hur’s damning report around Biden’s retention of classified documents after leaving office as vice president — also asked respondents how likely it is that “issues about Joe Biden’s mental soundness would cause you to rethink supporting him.”
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The Fox News poll was conducted Feb. 8-12 among 1,106 registered voters in Michigan, and it has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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1,106 out of 8,260,386 registered votors in Michigan.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
What if the country elected a 34 year old?
Would it then be stealing to deny that person the Presidency?
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What if the Supreme Court determines that Trump is indeed eligible? I'm going to guess that you will claim that your understanding of the Constitution is superior to the Justices?
 
Brainster said:
What if the Supreme Court determines that Trump is indeed eligible? I'm going to guess that you will claim that your understanding of the Constitution is superior to the Justices?
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They and I understand this particularly obvious bit of it equally well, as does any native English-speaker. What would be superior would be my level of honesty about it compared to theirs.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Looking at more of what he said, it was a gaffe. But the news media treats it as a Trump scandal when they could have said it was a gaffe like Biden's.

Newsweek
Trivial fantasizing.

He's pushing the crime, be very afraid theme.
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The difference being, while for Biden a gaffe is a slip of the tongue, for T****y it's revealing the parts of his plans he doesn't want revealed.
 
Tero said:
Michigan looks bad now:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4469508-trump-tops-biden-by-2-points-in-michigan-survey/

But Israel is not Putin. Netanyahu does not have the lasting power of Putin. It will be resolved before election. Biden can claim at least a draw if not a win. And things will settle down. We send money to rebuild Gaza, eventually.
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I wouldn't pin my hopes on Netenyahu not lasting the course in Israel. This is a country that has been primed to see the Palestinian people as a combination of subhuman scum and the worst enemy to their "god's favoured race" (sounds familiar no?) and now his post Gaza genocide plan is to recreate the Warsaw ghetto in the rubble.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
You didn't answer the question.
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The answer is no, of course not, because a 34-year-old is not eligible. Then you want to say that the insurrection clause makes Trump similarly ineligible. But it's not that simple as the Supreme Court should make abundantly clear, at which point you'll be reduced to claiming they got it wrong.
 
Brainster said:
The answer is no, of course not, because a 34-year-old is not eligible. Then you want to say that the insurrection clause makes Trump similarly ineligible. But it's not that simple as the Supreme Court should make abundantly clear, at which point you'll be reduced to claiming they got it wrong.
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You are projecting, as usual.

The Supreme Court can be wrong, as this supreme Court explicitly said when it overturned Roe v. Wade.
Many scholars think that Bush v. Gore was wrongly decided, and that Gore would have be found the Winner if the Supreme Court hadn't arbitrarily decided when to stop counting.

But it's not the Votes that made Bush President, it was the Swearing In.

Similarly, if Trump gets reelected because this Supreme Court refused to find the obvious, Trump can become President.

Just because the Supreme Court is very often completely wrong (Citizens United etc.) doesn't mean that we get to ignore their currently ruling.
 
the sc has proven it isn't anymore infallible or immune to outside influence and corruption as any other branch of the government.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Many scholars think that Bush v. Gore was wrongly decided, and that Gore would have be found the Winner if the Supreme Court hadn't arbitrarily decided when to stop counting.
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It's also worth pointing out that it's entirely reasonable to say that Bush v. Gore was wrongly decided and that Bush would probably have won if the Supreme Court hadn't arbitrarily decided when to stop counting. The problem is in the decision, not the outcome. The worse part, of course, is that Florida Republicans still look like they're working to cheat the system, albeit in technically legal ways, to disenfranchise Democrats with their shenanigans. Making sure that some heavily Democrat leaning areas have crappy equipment to work with, for example, and then using the crappy performance because of the equipment as an excuse to kick out an elected Democrat overseer in favor of a unelected Republican stooge overseer. Trying to get the Democratic Party banned in Florida is a pretty obvious bit of BS, too.

As for the Supreme Court deciding wrong... absolutely yes, they do. The current right wing extremists on the court are sorta notorious for some of their outright obnoxious rulings. Roberts literally revived a "legal theory" put forward by segregationists for the sake of allowing themselves a way to get away with slavery that was unanimously rejected when it was put before the court in the desegregation era, as an easy example.
 
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Amy Goodman from Democracy Now explains how Trump ripped off the casinos he bankrupted. He made millions while other investors lost millions. It's only 11.5 minutes. I'm going to see if I can find part two if there is one.

There's a clip from the 2016 POTUS debate where Carly Fiorina describes his bankruptcies. Trump interrupts her repeatedly and then tells his typical rebuttal lies. He's so creepy on a debate stage.


 
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Brainster said:
What if the Supreme Court determines that Trump is indeed eligible? I'm going to guess that you will claim that your understanding of the Constitution is superior to the Justices?
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Some Dem controlled state legislatures might disagree but not one would keep him off the ballot. What they wouldn't do is launch illegal conspiracy plans to keep him off the ballot.
 
johnny karate said:
Totally not a Trump supporter.
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I despise the man and will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate (even Hillary). Simple as that. However I have respect for the process, and if Trump wins fair and square, he should and will become President again (this whole bit about him being foiled by the certification is just a bit of mental masturbation on the part of a writer).

If we can't beat him at the ballot box, let's try using lawyers and protest the certification and basically try another January 6? Yeah, that's going to work out as well as the last time. The old saw about being careful whom you make your enemy couldn't be more apt.
 
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