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Hercules56 said:
I think its very much more than likely Trump would beat Biden today.

Post conviction and sent to prison? Maybe not.
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No American wants to Kneel infront of a King.
Trump is asking for the Power to be King perhaps Biden should use that power before Trump.
 
I would say there are far more 'never Trumpers' than you realize. People who voted for him, twice, who will never vote for him again. They know it doesn't pay to be overtly vocal about it, but in more private settings, will openly say he's crossed a line they can't support. The trouble with those folks is, they think RFK Jr. looks like a solid alternative to Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
No, it's more like 30%.
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Unfortunately that 30% are determined to vote and their local GOP administration will make it easy for them to do so.

Meanwhile too many of the 70% will be disenfranchised, demotivated or simply cannot vote because it's been made too difficult and/or the Democratic Party candidate isn't exciting enough.
 
Speaking of the 2024 election, bossy SG repeats:

Biden is not too old. He is going to be the candidate. Get over it and stop amplifying GOP messaging! No matter if you believe it and no matter where you are repeating it, here, other social media sites, or with friends and colleagues, stop repeating it.

Just watch the first 4.5 minutes of Brian Tyler Cohen's podcast listing all of Biden's many many accomplishments in his first three years:




Compare that to Trump's one accomplishment: Tax cut for the wealthy.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Speaking of the 2024 election, bossy SG repeats:

Biden is not too old. He is going to be the candidate. Get over it and stop amplifying GOP messaging! No matter if you believe it and no matter where you are repeating it, here, other social media sites, or with friends and colleagues, stop repeating it.
Just watch the first 4.5 minutes of Brian Tyler Cohen's podcast listing all of Biden's many many accomplishments in his first three years:




Compare that to Trump's one accomplishment: Tax cut for the wealthy.
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I'm no fan of being told to subordinate what I believe to the "messaging" of a political party.

I see no difference between that and abject propaganda.

Being told, "You must not say that!" is more likely to make me say it if I think it is true.

But that stance of yours, that you must say what is politically expedient and not what you believe is more likely to make me skeptical of what you say. It seems to be an admission that what you say might not be what you actually believe. I would be very careful about shredding your credibility like that and I absolutely refuse to do it myself.
 
angrysoba said:
I'm no fan of being told to subordinate what I believe to the "messaging" of a political party.

I see no difference between that and abject propaganda.

Being told, "You must not say that!" is more likely to make me say it if I think it is true.

But that stance of yours, that you must say what is politically expedient and not what you believe is more likely to make me skeptical of what you say. It seems to be an admission that what you say might not be what you actually believe. I would be very careful about shredding your credibility like that and I absolutely refuse to do it myself.
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SG is under the mistaken impression that this forum (which as I type this has 33 members and 163 guests online) is influential in shaping the opinion of the electorate.
 
angrysoba said:
I'm no fan of being told to subordinate what I believe to the "messaging" of a political party.

I see no difference between that and abject propaganda.

Being told, "You must not say that!" is more likely to make me say it if I think it is true.

But that stance of yours, that you must say what is politically expedient and not what you believe is more likely to make me skeptical of what you say. It seems to be an admission that what you say might not be what you actually believe. I would be very careful about shredding your credibility like that and I absolutely refuse to do it myself.
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Oh dear, too blunt for you then. Not my problem.

I've pointed out before people are being conned into repeating the GOP narrative. Keep it up. You're in my basket of written-off never-gets-its.
 
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Stacyhs said:
Exactly. She became governor when the entire country was recovering from the 2007 crash under Obama. But, I'm sure Haley was responsible for SC doing the same thing every other state was doing. This is the US unemployment rate from 2011-2017:

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And? I was responding to someone who thought her claim of inheriting double-digit unemployment was false.

The highlighted is rather poorly worded; I assume you don't mean the crash happened under O?
 
Brainster said:
SG is under the mistaken impression that this forum (which as I type this has 33 members and 163 guests online) is influential in shaping the opinion of the electorate.
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Not at all. My point is every place, be it telling one neighbor or a small forum community, has the potential to matter. One person might understand what it means to repeat the GOP talking point and they might enlighten someone else and so on. It might be a dead end or it might snowball, one never knows.

I know people will always be resistant to hearing they might be a GOP puppet, no way, not them, they are too smart. I didn't address persuading them perfectly. I can't be concerned about every naysayer who didn't like me anyway.

But it does soak in because people know it's true. Some people might ask themselves, why do they believe Biden is too old when they hear his long list of accomplishments as POTUS?
 
Brainster said:
And? I was responding to someone who thought her claim of inheriting double-digit unemployment was false.

The highlighted is rather poorly worded; I assume you don't mean the crash happened under O?
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There was that over-borrowing period that preceded the 2007-2008 crash. It wasn't something Obama did.


2007–2008 financial crisis

It's off-topic here but the Wiki entry explains it quite well.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not at all. My point is every place, be it telling one neighbor or a small forum community, has the potential to matter. One person might understand what it means to repeat the GOP talking point and they might enlighten someone else and so on. It might be a dead end or it might snowball, one never knows.

I know people will always be resistant to hearing they might be a GOP puppet, no way, not them, they are too smart. I didn't address persuading them perfectly. I can't be concerned about every naysayer who didn't like me anyway.

But it does soak in because people know it's true. Some people might ask themselves, why do they believe Biden is too old when they hear his long list of accomplishments as POTUS?
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Then it would be better to argue that his age is not the issue, and the issue is his achievements.

Instead, you are telling people what they can and can't say, and that causes resentment.

The fact that you often talk about "messaging" just makes it sound like you are policing talking points rather than arguing in good faith, and that is exactly the type of thing that, in my opinion, puts people off politics and politicians.
 
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lobosrul5 said:
Its a "technically correct" claim, but its one that probably every single governor can claim if their term was of roughly same time period.

Michigan, 10.5 to 4.8%. New York, 9% to 5%, Florida, 10.8% to 4.9%.

ETA: which honestly, is better than most political boasts, especially by DJT.
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Exactly. She became governor when the entire country was recovering from the 2007 crash under Obama. But, I'm sure Haley was responsible for SC doing the same thing every other state was doing. This is the US unemployment rate from 2011-2017:

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Brainster said:
And? I was responding to someone who thought her claim of inheriting double-digit unemployment was false.

The highlighted is rather poorly worded; I assume you don't mean the crash happened under O?
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And I was responding to lobosrul5, not you.

Yes, it was poorly worded but I think it's rather apparent that the 2007 crash didn't happen under Obama since he became president in 2009. I think the posters here know that and it doesn't have to be explained to them.
 
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