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Here's the dilemma; how do the Democrats get Biden to announce he's not running, and that he's not endorsing Kamala? That's the real sticking point because she polls even worse than Biden against Trump.
 
Brainster said:
how do the Democrats get Biden to announce he's not running, and that he's not endorsing Kamala?
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They're not at his mercy. They're behind him. They're how he got into the position he's in now, not the other way around.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Nobody should debate with Trump. Trump doesn't debate, he doesn't listen, he doesn't take his turn, he doesn't follow the agreed rules, he is just plain bullying rude and he just talks over everyone all the time. The only way he believes how to win is to be the narcissistic turd in the punch-bowl and ruin the debate, not make points or argument.

So everyone on both sides, and all the mainstream TV channels, should just ignore any attempt to engage with him in any debate-like situation, even if their event is utterly contrived and stage-managed for public consumption.

It's never a debate with Trump, it's a chance for him to have snarky interruption fest and get the focus on himself. It would be a loudmouth game of pigeon-chess, with the pigeon taking selfies while he tossed the board.
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The Biden's campaign response to all calls for a debate should be a simple "I don't debate with a loser." And repeat that one single line time and time again.
 
If it came to a debate, IMO, The Fat Orange Turd starts with a distinct disadvantage. Biden might be getting a bit shaky on his pins, but he is still pretty sharp mentally compared with The Fat Orange Turd.

I've been keeping score, and so far I have yet to see Biden make any gaffes that even remotely compare with these corkers from the prolapsed orange anus.

  1. Telling Americans that covid can be cured by shining a light inside the body, or by drinking/injecting bleach.
  2. Claiming that wind turbines cause cancer.
  3. Telling a crowd he was addressing in Sioux City, Iowa, how happy he was to be in Sioux Falls (which is in South Dakota).
  4. Telling a crowd that George Washington's Continental Army were able to beat the British in 1781 because they captured all the British Airfields.
  5. Claiming Victor Orban is the president of Turkey (he's actually the Prime Minister of Hungary - Recep Erdogan is the President of Turkey).
  6. Claiming that whales are being killed by wind turbines.
  7. Telling an audience he beat Obama in the 2016 election (he ran against Hillary Clinton).
  8. Claiming that Jeb Bush got the US into the war in Afghanistan (It was George W. Bush).
  9. Claiming you need ID to buy a loaf of bread.
  10. Claiming that Finnish President Sauli Niinistö told him they prevent forest fires by raking the forest floor (Niinistö denies having ever said this).
  11. Warning that Biden would get the US into World War II.
  12. Addressing a gathering of thousands of Boy Scouts with a rambling speech about cocktail parties and rich people having sex on boats.
  13. Drawing on a hurricane map with a Sharpie.
  14. Suddenly realizing after 70+ years that the initials "US" is made up of the same two letters as the word "us".
  15. Saying he met with the president of the Virgin Islands......think about it :D
  16. Wanting to buy Greenland and causing a diplomatic crisis when Denmark refused to sell.
  17. Saying he would build a border wall...... in Colorado.
  18. Suggesting we should "nuke hurricanes".

In a debate Biden would wipe the floor with him - The Fat Orange Turd knows this, which is why he will never agree to do so.
 
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The best analogy for a debate with Trump is "wrestling with a pig." All that happens is you get dirty and the pig loves it.
 
Biden and Trump are both known quantities. The factors that contributed to Biden's win in 2020 have only been enhanced by events since. Biden's had an adequate presidency; he's no FDR but he's kept the democratic pilot light on. Whereas Trump's burning through allies almost as fast as he burns through lawyers. Not-Biden v Trump or Biden v Not-Trump, you could argue people might flock to or shy away from the new person, but if it's 2020 2: 2024, it'll be Biden's game to lose.

Mainstream media no longer affords Trump any benefit of the doubt, the way they bent over backwards in 2016 to cover his outbursts in a favorable way. Instead he's gotten so unhinged even Fox News doesn't want to give him airtime. He'll never have another debate in a non-friendly environment. He's not even showing up for primary debates anymore.
 
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I blame not proof reading your post. You need not look for every typo but people can do a quick check to see if videos play, links work and quote codes are right. It wasn't software, you missed a bracket.

Other typos and board software deciding what word you meant to type are usually easily read over ignoring the typo.
 
smartcooky said:
If it came to a debate, IMO, The Fat Orange Turd starts with a distinct disadvantage. Biden might be getting a bit shaky on his pins, but he is still pretty sharp mentally compared with The Fat Orange Turd.

I've been keeping score, and so far I have yet to see Biden make any gaffes that even remotely compare with these corkers from the prolapsed orange anus.

  1. Telling Americans that covid can be cured by shining a light inside the body, or by drinking/injecting bleach.
  2. Claiming that wind turbines cause cancer.
  3. Telling a crowd he was addressing in Sioux City, Iowa, how happy he was to be in Sioux Falls (which is in South Dakota).
  4. Telling a crowd that George Washington's Continental Army were able to beat the British in 1781 because they captured all the British Airfields.
  5. Claiming Victor Orban is the president of Turkey (he's actually the Prime Minister of Hungary - Recep Erdogan is the President of Turkey).
  6. Claiming that whales are being killed by wind turbines.
  7. Telling an audience he beat Obama in the 2016 election (he ran against Hillary Clinton).
  8. Claiming that Jeb Bush got the US into the war in Afghanistan (It was George W. Bush).
  9. Claiming you need ID to buy a loaf of bread.
  10. Claiming that Finnish President Sauli Niinistö told him they prevent forest fires by raking the forest floor (Niinistö denies having ever said this).
  11. Warning that Biden would get the US into World War II.
  12. Addressing a gathering of thousands of Boy Scouts with a rambling speech about cocktail parties and rich people having sex on boats.
  13. Drawing on a hurricane map with a Sharpie.
  14. Suddenly realizing after 70+ years that the initials "US" is made up of the same two letters as the word "us".
  15. Saying he met with the president of the Virgin Islands......think about it :D
  16. Wanting to buy Greenland and causing a diplomatic crisis when Denmark refused to sell.
  17. Saying he would build a border wall...... in Colorado.
  18. Suggesting we should "nuke hurricanes".

In a debate Biden would wipe the floor with him - The Fat Orange Turd knows this, which is why he will never agree to do so.
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I forgot about the Boy Scouts thing.

About the running against Obama, with Trump's mental illness he will never forget being embarrassed about Obama's birth certificate at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. All the things Trump did when he got into office was to get even with Obama, trying to undo everything Obama had done. So I imagine 6 or 7 years later it's becoming conflated in Trump's mind that he ran against and defeated Obama.
 
Hercules56 said:
David Axelrod calling for Biden to drop out.
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Let's take a look at what he said.


President Biden Says He Feels Good

David Axelrod, who served as a senior adviser to former President
Barack Obama suggested that President Joe Biden may want to reconsider
his reelection bid, as he potentially faces another race for the White House
against former President Donald Trump. “It's very late to change horses.
A lot will happen in the next year that no one can predict. Biden's team
says his resolve to run is firm.”
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Oh, it's way too late to change horses now.
If you did then you'd just wind up with a bunch of old nags.


"Only Joe Biden can make this decision," Axelrod added. "If he continues
to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs
to decide is whether that is wise? Whether it's in his best interest or
the country's?"
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Probably not in his best interest, but the country could do worse that him.


"Yes, there also is risk associated with changing course now, as there
is little time left for a primary campaign — and campaigns are how we
test candidates. But there is a lot of leadership talent in the Democratic
Party, poised to emerge," Axelrod added, referencing Florida Governer
Ron DeSantis' 2024 presidential bid.
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I'm not convinced Ron DeSantis represents the leadership talent poised to emerge in the Democratic Party.
 
smartcooky said:
If it came to a debate, IMO, The Fat Orange Turd starts with a distinct disadvantage. Biden might be getting a bit shaky on his pins, but he is still pretty sharp mentally compared with The Fat Orange Turd.

I've been keeping score, and so far I have yet to see Biden make any gaffes that even remotely compare with these corkers from the prolapsed orange anus.

  1. Telling Americans that covid can be cured by shining a light inside the body, or by drinking/injecting bleach.
  2. Claiming that wind turbines cause cancer.
  3. Telling a crowd he was addressing in Sioux City, Iowa, how happy he was to be in Sioux Falls (which is in South Dakota).
  4. Telling a crowd that George Washington's Continental Army were able to beat the British in 1781 because they captured all the British Airfields.
  5. Claiming Victor Orban is the president of Turkey (he's actually the Prime Minister of Hungary - Recep Erdogan is the President of Turkey).
  6. Claiming that whales are being killed by wind turbines.
  7. Telling an audience he beat Obama in the 2016 election (he ran against Hillary Clinton).
  8. Claiming that Jeb Bush got the US into the war in Afghanistan (It was George W. Bush).
  9. Claiming you need ID to buy a loaf of bread.
  10. Claiming that Finnish President Sauli Niinistö told him they prevent forest fires by raking the forest floor (Niinistö denies having ever said this).
  11. Warning that Biden would get the US into World War II.
  12. Addressing a gathering of thousands of Boy Scouts with a rambling speech about cocktail parties and rich people having sex on boats.
  13. Drawing on a hurricane map with a Sharpie.
  14. Suddenly realizing after 70+ years that the initials "US" is made up of the same two letters as the word "us".
  15. Saying he met with the president of the Virgin Islands......think about it :D
  16. Wanting to buy Greenland and causing a diplomatic crisis when Denmark refused to sell.
  17. Saying he would build a border wall...... in Colorado.
  18. Suggesting we should "nuke hurricanes".

In a debate Biden would wipe the floor with him - The Fat Orange Turd knows this, which is why he will never agree to do so.
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If you want to go further back add claiming he could see people jump from the WTC from his window when it wasn't visible from his window
Claiming he went to Ground Zero and was helping out, and he claimed he brought a workforce with him that Trump paid wages for.
 
The Atheist said:
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history...
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That's probably why his polling numbers are so terrible.

Oh, wait...
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You're really fixated on these polling numbers from one poll. But you ignore that polls are not reliable. Taken the week before the 2020 election, 13 polls had Biden up anywhere from +1 to +11. That's some spread!
In the week before the 2016 election, the top 13 polls had Clinton winning in all but one.

The Atheist said:
In fact, the more idiotic things he says, the more they like him. I would have expected that to be obvious by now. The things he did on the campaign trail in 2016 were unforgivable, and he won comfortably. Why do you think things are going to change now?
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What's obvious is that Trump lost by a greater margin in 2020 than he did in 2016 when people were willing to give "a great businessman" a chance, before he supported an attack on our Capitol and went batcrap crazy with his election fraud lies. Do more people approve of how he handled the pandemic? Do more people think the election was rigged and stolen from him ? Do more people think he's being persecuted in four different jurisdictions on trumped up charges? Why do you think that has changed now?



The Atheist said:
Be aware that I have no dog in this fight - I'm able to look at it as a casual observer.
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I highly question that. Your posting history says otherwise.


The Atheist said:
You're quite right that people who should be supporting Biden are calling him senile, though. How do you think that's going to play out?
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Those who are calling him senile have their own reasons for doing so, mainly political. It's mostly Republicans and far left extremists with a Debbie Downer attitude for anything/anyone not as far left as they are. I don't see many Dems calling him senile except those with a personal agenda or, frankly, have an affinity for stirring the pot or being contrary.

Statements like "it's clear the opinion of Biden is that he's senile," and "The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates," are opinions that do nothing but help Trump.




The Atheist said:
That was my point - he's winning and Biden's losing. In a sane world, Trump would be polling in single digits. He's not.
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If you look at other polls in the last month, most have Biden winning.
 
Today in court:

NY attorney: Did you get copies of statements in 2021?

Donald Trump: I was so busy in the White House with China, Russia, and keeping the country...

NY attorney: You were not the President in 2021.
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And BIDEN is the senile one?

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Skeptic Ginger said:
FTFY



They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial.



He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished, he pretends to love and read the Bible, you name it, the cult followers are in denial. Watch any of Jordan Klepper's Finger's the Pulse to see what these idiots actually believe. It's not about rational 'forgiveness'.
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They are baffling. Did you know Trump never lies?

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Solitaire said:
I'm not convinced Ron DeSantis represents the
leadership talent poised to emerge in the Democratic Party.
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Axelrod's point was that a primary campaign tests candidates, and that many (like apparently DeSantis) are considered strong contenders until they actually have to go out and gets some votes.
 
I'm still annoyed that no serious alternative to Biden has stepped up.

A Democratic governor, or senator, under the age of 70 and with no major disqualifying problems. Anyone?? Time's running out. There are deadlines coming up I think for getting on the ballot in certain states.

I do not consider RFK Jr. or Marianne Williamson to be serious alternatives, especially the former. He's just a crank who appeals more to the right than the left.
 
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