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mikegriffith1 said:
I had no intention of voting for President Biden (and I'm not voting for Trump or Harris), but, unlike most Republicans, I am willing to acknowledge that Biden has done many good things. It's too bad that nearly all Democrats won't acknowledge any of the good things that Trump did. Yes, Biden has done many things that I find objectionable, but Biden deserves praise for the following achievements:

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I'm voting for RFK Jr.
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Sincerely, good for you. The approach you have taken in this particular post would be well emulated.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Statement from the Trump Campaign on the debate.



TRUMP VANCE

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! 2024

- July 25, 2024 -

Trump Campaign Statement on General Election Debates

"Given the continued political chaos surrounding Crooked Joe Biden and the Democrat Party, general election debate details cannot be finalized until Democrats formally decide on their nominee. There is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone "better." Therefore, it would be inappropriate to schedule things with Harris because Democrats very well could still change their minds."

- Steven Cheung, Trump Campaign Communications Director

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/26/obama-endorses-kamala-harris

Barack Obama has endorsed Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee for US president, meaning the vice-president has now won the backing of all the party’s politically active high-profile figures for her White House bid.

The former president had conspicuously withheld his endorsement in the immediate aftermath of Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw from the campaign, and was initially believed to favour an open nominating contest at next month’s Democratic national convention in Chicago.
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Andy_Ross said:
It seems to me the GOP campaigned to get Biden out of the running for the next election.

Now they have what they wanted they aren't very happy.
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No, they wanted him in, because their campaign depended on portraying him as being past it. They deliberately soft-pedalled on things as they didn't want him to drop out.
 
I'm wondering about Jill Stein's VP and kennedy's VP. Who are they? My state won't print ballots unless a VP is listed.

"“I’m so proud to introduce to you the next vice president of the United States: my fellow lawyer, a brilliant scientist, technologist, a fierce warrior mom, Nicole Shanahan,” Kennedy said."

Who?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Statement from the Trump Campaign on the debate.



TRUMP VANCE

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! 2024

- July 25, 2024 -

Trump Campaign Statement on General Election Debates

"Given the continued political chaos surrounding Crooked Joe Biden and the Democrat Party, general election debate details cannot be finalized until Democrats formally decide on their nominee. There is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone "better." Therefore, it would be inappropriate to schedule things with Harris because Democrats very well could still change their minds."

- Steven Cheung, Trump Campaign Communications Director

[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/fknzZT82/20240726-090312.png[/qimg]
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Wow, that made my dogs howl.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know you're joking, but actually, he did:
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Rather odd, those quotes. He might be telling the truth but if his Dad did those things it was with another unit. The 101st infantry left for Europe in very late August 1944. Well after D-day and the liberation of Paris.
 
kookbreaker said:
Rather odd, those quotes. He might be telling the truth but if his Dad did those things it was with another unit. The 101st infantry left for Europe in very late August 1944. Well after D-day and the liberation of Paris.
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More deceased relatives went ashore on D-Day then served in Europe.
 
dudalb said:
The Dems secret weapon might be Vance. Already a number of people in the GOP are saying he was a mistake.And Donnie's "I might have made a mistake" comment on Faux News is not helping.
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To be honest I was actually really glad Trump picked Vance as VP, even before Biden dropped out.

Picking someone like Haley or Scott might not have given Trump a majority of the female or black vote, but it might have at least cut into the Democrat's lead with those demographics. And Haley might have been seen as a "moderate" voice... someone to counteract the extreme right wing trump lunacy. (I don't think she was really a moderate, but she was certainly claiming to be one.)

Trump made the worst possible choice... another angry white male who is willing to go along with all the extremist nonsense that Trump and the rest of the MAGAchud can spew. Certainly not someone who can expand Trump's base at all. (All the old comments he made about Trump being "america's hitler" that can be used as campaign fodder is just an added bonus.)
 
Andy_Ross said:
Rather odd, those quotes. He might be telling the truth but if his Dad did those things it was with another unit. The 101st infantry left for Europe in very late August 1944. Well after D-day and the liberation of Paris.
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More deceased relatives went ashore on D-Day then served in Europe.
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Just because you are dead does not mean you cannot fight.

Don't you remember the scene from "Lord of the Ring" where Aragorn used an "army of the dead" to defeat Saron's army?
 
mikegriffith1 said:
I had no intention of voting for President Biden (and I'm not voting for Trump or Harris), but, unlike most Republicans, I am willing to acknowledge that Biden has done many good things. It's too bad that nearly all Democrats won't acknowledge any of the good things that Trump did. Yes, Biden has done many things that I find objectionable, but Biden deserves praise for the following achievements:

-- Pushing and signing the infrastructure bill.

-- Reducing the cost of prescription drugs and allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

-- Continuing and expanding Trump's tariffs against China.

-- Forcing Chinese companies operating in America to allow federal audits/inspections.

-- Forming a new alliance with Japan and South Korea to counter China's increasingly aggressive posture in the Indo-Pacific region.

-- Reducing bank and credit card fees.

-- Raising the minimum wage for federal contractors (this was long overdue).

-- Pushing to raise the threshold for overtime pay to make over 3 million workers eligible for overtime pay for the first time (this was long, long overdue).

-- Allowing prescriptions for addictions to be issued via telehealth.

-- Greatly expanding the U.S. military's drone program.

-- Forcing a deal to save the Colorado River.

-- Providing federal aid and new regulations to aid small and midsize food producers against predatory giant food producers.

-- Legislation to encourage and support the production of microchips on U.S. soil.

-- Leaving the vast majority of the Trump tax cuts intact.

-- Giving Ukraine enough aid to hold off the Russians and being willing to give Ukraine increasingly lethal weapons.

-- Forming new defense partnerships with the Philippines and Papua New Guinea, and deepening ties with India and Australia.

Several other positive actions could be listed. In many respects, Biden has governed as a centrist and has been willing to compromise to get things done in many cases. I should add that Biden has carried himself much more presidentially and credibly than Trump did.

I'm voting for RFK Jr.
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Wait, what? After that impressive list you're not voting for the Democratic party? You don't want more of the same?

And you say Trump did good things, can you provide the list?

But RFK Jr.? The anti-science andidate most famous for pushing the deadly anti-vax agenda?

You do realize this is a skeptical forum, right?
 
mikegriffith1 said:
I had no intention of voting for President Biden (and I'm not voting for Trump or Harris), but, unlike most Republicans, I am willing to acknowledge that Biden has done many good things. It's too bad that nearly all Democrats won't acknowledge any of the good things that Trump did. Yes, Biden has done many things that I find objectionable, but Biden deserves praise for the following achievements:

-- Pushing and signing the infrastructure bill.

-- Reducing the cost of prescription drugs and allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

-- Continuing and expanding Trump's tariffs against China.

-- Forcing Chinese companies operating in America to allow federal audits/inspections.

-- Forming a new alliance with Japan and South Korea to counter China's increasingly aggressive posture in the Indo-Pacific region.

-- Reducing bank and credit card fees.

-- Raising the minimum wage for federal contractors (this was long overdue).

-- Pushing to raise the threshold for overtime pay to make over 3 million workers eligible for overtime pay for the first time (this was long, long overdue).

-- Allowing prescriptions for addictions to be issued via telehealth.

-- Greatly expanding the U.S. military's drone program.

-- Forcing a deal to save the Colorado River.

-- Providing federal aid and new regulations to aid small and midsize food producers against predatory giant food producers.

-- Legislation to encourage and support the production of microchips on U.S. soil.

-- Leaving the vast majority of the Trump tax cuts intact.

-- Giving Ukraine enough aid to hold off the Russians and being willing to give Ukraine increasingly lethal weapons.

-- Forming new defense partnerships with the Philippines and Papua New Guinea, and deepening ties with India and Australia.

Several other positive actions could be listed. In many respects, Biden has governed as a centrist and has been willing to compromise to get things done in many cases. I should add that Biden has carried himself much more presidentially and credibly than Trump did.

I'm voting for RFK Jr.
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So you're voting for Trump, got it we already knew that Trumper.
 
There is no Vance specific reason why he is so unpopular: he is not particularly worse than any other Trump successor wannabe.
I think that the backlash against his nomination is using him as a Proxy to express disappointment with Trump: clearly, enthusiasm for Trump in the Republican Party can never drop below 100%, but Vance, the guy Trump has endorsed now twice, is fair game.
 
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