wtc collapse

I was over at the Pilots for Truth forum, and I couldn't help but notice one guy's argument: that since so much of the mass of the Twin Towers was ejected outside of their footprints, it had to have been a Controlled Demolition. It's interesting, because...weren't these guys once under the...

Fire Testing Is Questioned in Findings on Towers By ERIC LIPTON Published: August 26, 2004 NYTimes ORTHBROOK, Ill., Aug. 25 - For more than two years, federal investigators have been struggling to resolve a critical and contentious question concerning the collapse of the World Trade Center...

Hey. Even though I am goddam awful at maths, I wish to understand how the buildings fell in the way they did, as building construction and structual collapse fascinate me. I am amused when Avery backs himself into a corner on Hardfire and says his 'common sense' argument: Avery: "I cannot see...

Not sure if anyone noticed that NIST released a status update for the WTC7 collapse investigation. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_062907.html They expect to release a draft report for public comment by the end of the year.

Jones accepts that it would have been impossible for the towers not to collapse right? He simply believes it would have taken 36 seconds? You have to ask, what is the point? To make it more dramatic? That's a big ****ing risk simply to double the rate of collapse. Do Avery and pals accept the...

With "partial" response from Gordon Ross. journalof911studies.com/letters/RossResponsetoAnonymous.pdf

We all know that WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed after being hit with airliners, and WTC7 collapsed after being severely damaged by the collapse of WTC1. However, in the days and weeks and months and years following 9/11, many other buildings in the area have been torn down as a direct result of damage...

I've been going back & forth with Stundie on a thread at LCF, he believes the towers should have arrested collapse. I have tried to explain that a falling object exerts much more energy on objects below it than if it is just sitting. Stundie didn't get it, so I whipped out some equations. I...

Consider this hypothetical scenario: A decision has been made to bring a WTC-type tower down in a controlled manner. The reasons are legitimate and irrelevant. Time is taken to prepare the building in the proper way and the site is evacuated in advance. If all of the core columns were blown...

FYI - Dr. W. Gene Corley has been awarded the 2007 National Engineering Award presented by American Association of Engineering Societies (AAES), in recognition of his work on investigating the WTC collapse (as well work on investigations at the Pentagon, and the Murrah Building in 1995)...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4094539209684370800&q=amy Here's a video of WTC7 that I haven't seen before, with a few bits of at least one fireman and one cop who make reference to "If" the building is going to collapse. Also a good shot of the collapse with street sounds, and hey...

*I meant both towers collapsing* Apologies if this has already been covered, But on the Hardfire debate, Mark Roberts reported to Dylan Avery that "any structual engineer, who qualified from any sort of school, should be able to draw up an (scientific) explanation" in response that NIST doesnt...

The 9/11 CTers are always going on about how the WTC collapsed "faster than freefall". Have any of them ever proven this? That is, told us the speed of a object free-falling through the air, and then told us the precise speed of fall of the WTC?

Hello, This is my first post & thread so please take it easy on me! For the past year I have been working for the CIA, FBI, FEMA, NIST, and the Bush administration. The location of my work is not classified as I am well known at the ATS site. To them, I am the beast... the shill..the...

This discussion is going on at LCF: Now, let's help look-up out. I'll post his theory, and maybe some expert (engineer, scientist, architect) can explain him in easily understood terms why his theory is not valid. Here we go: look-up's theory: Many supporters of the official account of why...

Tonight on ABC network "EXTREME MAKEOVER - HOME EDITION" honors one of the heros that day- SGT JASON THOMAS (USMC). Thomas had just dropped off his children at his mother's house in Hicksville Long Islnd on way to criminal justice class when heard of plane hitting World Trade Center. Went to...

Hey I'm new to these forums iv been browsing here for a while, but never really commented. Iv also been visiting loose change forums as well. You all both seem to have ur good and bad points with ur arguments, as it stand at moment im netural on subject. I have recently come across interview...

28th Kingdom has again posted his ultimate smoking gun on LCF. His previous attempt was for some reason promptly deleted, so, because I really luve him and don't want his efforts to be waisted again, I will post his ultimate smoking gun here. Maybe, just maybe, one of the smart guys here can...

I grow weary of the "total pulverzation" and the "Pyroclastic" cloud argument. Here are a couple of videos showing building demolitions where explosive are not used. yet there are billowing clouds of dust. So explain these CT proponents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHbC9gc_Ylo Building...

It seems that the conspiracy theorists are always interested in making weird models of the World Trade Center towers, so perhaps they should try using this for their models: Jenga! Unfortunately for them, I would think that using that as a model would help to support the idea of the official...

this is something interesting i heard recently. that we should compare the damage to the first tower that fell..to the cuts made in a tree when you drop it. it is true, that usually, when u drop a tree, it falls in the direction of the initial cut. but thats only if the tree has slightly more...

The other day Ron Wieck directed us to the comments on Rick Siegel's (9-11 Eyewitness) small blog. Siegel had some funny comments on the shows we did with LTW. I've made a few posts there, but I can't continue. I didn't realize that there were intellectual levels below that of the LC forum. I'm...

Hi all, back after a couple of days on travel, and I see we're still riled up with the Twin Trolls 28th Puppet and (Grand?) Wizard. Not my cup of tea. Let me ask something more serious. Over the last two days I spoke with members of emergency reponse personnel at a few federal facilities...

Hey guys :) In the film 9/11 Mysteries we are shown footage from New Jersey that supposedly picks up a massive explosion before the tower falls. This can be seen at the 33:35 minute mark in 9/11 Mysteries. Does any one have the original footage from this angle? Being a sound engineer I...

i know someone else has some dome similar calculations, but i thought id do a few of my own Givens: Gravity was the only force accelerating the towers downward. This is consistent with either a collapse or demolition theory. The towers weighed 450,000,000kg at an average height of 206.5m...

So someone gave me a link to a web page that attempts to show that there are explosions going off in the towers as they are collapsing. I read it and I am smart enough to see that it is all clearly just BS. I am just not sure how to put it into technical terms. Could I get a little help...

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/hotSlag.jpg http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/WTC%20Molten%20Metal%20(11).jpg The basic problem with the NIST / FEMA REPORTS No one is really taking it seriously except the idiots that believe the official story....... 1) 5" inch steel columns do not...

One of the many points of contention between conspiracy theorists and the official story is the influence of the fires in the World Trade Center buildings on the steel members of the central core. Truthers often claim that the fires were not hot enough to melt the steel columns or even weaken...

Alright so I got this "paper" of some sorts from a guy on another forum and it supposedly shows how the NIST report is incorrect. Honestly all I've seen is attempts to discredit the report by talking about how some of the scientists are related to the government, but I just want to make sure I...

Good article up on counterpunch.org. Twoofers will hate it for two reasons; Science still isn't on thier side. It's got "maths" in it. Twoofers don't like "maths". :( EDIT: Bleh, I've had the stickies hidden for so long, I forgot they were there. Reposting to the appropriate thread.