What to do with people that murder pets?

[Belz...]

People are supposed to be more evolved.

"More evolved" ? You said that on the JREF ?

 

[Belz...]

I'm sorry for your loss. I endorse your idea's for dealing with the person that murdered your friend.


My son happens to be a cat. He is the most ornery and maladjusted feline you will ever meet and if someone were to hurt him I'd murder their *********** face off.


And yes to the implied question of the other commentators I consider hunting murder.

You need help.

 

[Belz...]

Do you tell women to avoid rape by never leaving the house?

1) Animals are not people.

2) Taking precautions sounds like a smart idea.

I'm not sure how you got that.

Well the "too" at the end of your sentence could be construed to mean that they should be put down like the dogs at the beginning of your sentence.

So if you had the misfortune to be born a cat instead of a human ten years is too much if someone shoots you for no reason? Interesting.

Animals are not people. What if you have the misfortune of being born a spider and wander in my appartment ? Do I really have to go on ?

Yeah, we do treat them differently and I've never understood why.

Animals are not people. The fact that, as Akri has pointed out, you OWNED the cat should tell you that.

Humans, in general, are pretty terrible. Cats, on the other hand, are usually pretty awesome.

Cats are cuddly animals. Humans stepped on the moon.

Find them, kill them.

Absolutely.

THAT's how got that idea, Travis.

 

[fleabeetle]

There was a major dust-up between him and quite a few forum members in a thread where he was advocating killing all pets because they were harmful. Toxoplasmosis was one of the justifications he dreamed up for this bizarre proposal. (Mostly is was "I'm an atheist so I'm supremely logical and right about everything so you should all agree with me.")

It ended with him disappearing from the forum, permanently.

Rolfe.

Didn't The Atheist also claim to be pro-pets; as in, "their life as infantilised dependents of humans in a miserable one, anyway -- killing them would be doing them a kindness". A strange idea, and convoluted logic; but it's a view held by other people on earth also.

It's all moot, anyway -- and I don't miss him much.

 

[Soapy Sam]

Killing a cat is not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. So this is not murder for the same reason it's not cabbage. A matter of definition.

But note that murder is unlawful homicide.
Execution is killing a human legally (however you may feel about that) and there are legal ways of killing animals too. Slaughterhouses for example.

Free roaming cats are not a delight to everyone. There are people who are afraid of them (irrationally or with reason, such as allergy or fear of harm to children or other animals). There are people who simply dislike them. In the states, it is legal to shoot a human on one's property , should one feel threatened. Shooting a cat is therefore unlikely to result in a life sentence. Unless an animal is protected by law, it is probably legal to shoot it on one's land. (Ironically, shooting a mountain lion might be illegal).

There is no defence for the hooligan who simply shoots animals for fun. I advise a good kicking for such individuals - and removal of any gun permits at once, before they shoot a person. That is a weapons discipline offence at least - something there should be better legislation regarding in the US IMO.

But the animal may have been shot, deliberately and calculatedly , by a responsible gun owner who was simply annoyed by damage the cat was doing on his property, or was afraid it could spread germs. (He might be wrong, but belief would be reason enough). In such a case, while I think it overreaction- a bucket of water is an adequate deterrant, especially if repeated daily over a few days (cats learn), he would have a bettercase for his actions than random target shooting.

As it seems the cat was shot while out of Travis sight and control, we can say nothing about the reason someone shot it- and I feel that makes a difference.

I'm sorry Travis lost his pet, but I can't criticise the killer without knowing the circumstances.

 

[Hungry81]

How about self-defense, for example ?

Yes I was being overly general. Self defense can be a legitimate reason for killing a pet. There are a couple of other good reasons as well, so I retract that statement. Thanks for picking it up.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I fail to understand how someone who supports a stupid and unnecessary war which has killed at least tens of thousands of human beings is at the same time wants the person who killed his pet to be imprisioned.

Request you look up the term non sequitur.

After one bonded to it emotionally ?
You are kidding me.
(maybe we should ask your parents if they felt you were replaceable...).

Your cat will die before you do. Get used to that fact. You will get another cat. And you will bond again. Yes, I still miss our first family dog, but we love our new dogs and haven't had to go to therapy.

I suspect that most people who have actually experienced the joy of children would laugh at the idea that a cat is even remotely comparable, emotionally.

+1

Whoops! That should be "fruit of my loins", though "fruit of my loons" is an intriguing concept.

Your awesomeness is right there, and may provide an insight to the term "*********** nuts."

It ended with him disappearing from the forum, permanently.

Our loss, here at the JREF forums.

Killing a cat is not murder. --snip--
I'm sorry Travis lost his pet, but I can't criticise the killer without knowing the circumstances.

Best post in the thread. Sam, well said.

 

[Belz...]

Yes I was being overly general. Self defense can be a legitimate reason for killing a pet. There are a couple of other good reasons as well, so I retract that statement. Thanks for picking it up.

Just to be clear: I wasn't trying to be overly pedantic. Many posters make very sweeping statements and then defend them to the extreme, so I just wanted to make sure.

 

[NoahFence]

"More evolved" ? You said that on the JREF ?

Cross-checking my post with the URL, it appears that I did indeed say that on JREF.

 

[Belz...]

Cross-checking my post with the URL, it appears that I did indeed say that on JREF.

Then I must now inform you that "more evolved" is nonsense. Nothing is more or less evolved. Change is directionless in evolution. What humans are, compared to other animals, is smarter, able to grasp abstract concepts, and understand morality.

 

[qayak]

Well I'm not advocating the death penalty.

I'm just saying that people that kill animals for fun should maybe be locked up for a very long time. Or put on a list of people to keep an eye on.

Assumption.

Sorry, I don't want to pay the living expenses of someone who killed a free cat. How about, instead, I replace it with another free cat?

Lists really mean nothing these days when so many undeserving people are on/can be put on them.

http://www.oncefallen.com/youmightbersoif.html

 

[Belz...]

At minimum there should be compensation for the loss of property. But we are talking about living beings, here, and posters are right that people who kill and harm animals for pleasure (read: not for sport) can become dangerous to humans. Of course, others have also pointed out we don't actually know much about the incident.

 

[Craig4]

At minimum there should be compensation for the loss of property. But we are talking about living beings, here, and posters are right that people who kill and harm animals for pleasure (read: not for sport) can become dangerous to humans. Of course, others have also pointed out we don't actually know much about the incident.

When I was a foster parent, this was one of the big things you had to report right away, cruelty to animals is a huge red flad. Big lights and sirens go off in the heads of social workers when you see this in a kid. I'm not familiar with this one in adults but in children, it's a strong indicator of other, even worse things.

 

[ponderingturtle]

When I was a foster parent, this was one of the big things you had to report right away, cruelty to animals is a huge red flad. Big lights and sirens go off in the heads of social workers when you see this in a kid. I'm not familiar with this one in adults but in children, it's a strong indicator of other, even worse things.

But shooting animals is not necessarily cruel. No one is in favor of cruelty to animals in this thread, it is about how invasive species should be controlled.

 

[Belz...]

When I was a foster parent, this was one of the big things you had to report right away, cruelty to animals is a huge red flad. Big lights and sirens go off in the heads of social workers when you see this in a kid. I'm not familiar with this one in adults but in children, it's a strong indicator of other, even worse things.

Lack of empathy, for one.

 

[NoahFence]

Then I must now inform you that "more evolved" is nonsense. Nothing is more or less evolved. Change is directionless in evolution. What humans are, compared to other animals, is smarter, able to grasp abstract concepts, and understand morality.

Cool story,bro.

 

[Craig4]

But shooting animals is not necessarily cruel. No one is in favor of cruelty to animals in this thread, it is about how invasive species should be controlled.

I was more talking about something along the lines of what happened to Travis's cat. If a kid in care did that he/she would likely find themselves in 24/7 eye-line supervision.

 

[Belz...]

Cool story,bro.

Yes, science is a very cool story. Thanks for completely dismissing my post.

 

[qayak]

I was more talking about something along the lines of what happened to Travis's cat. If a kid in care did that he/she would likely find themselves in 24/7 eye-line supervision.

You don't know what happened to the cat that did not belong to Travis so how can you make that judgement?

 

[NoahFence]

Yes, science is a very cool story. Thanks for completely dismissing my post.

Perhaps instead of a drive-by snide remark, you'd care to explain why you find it so fascinating that I would both hold the view that I did that caused you to respond that way, and also explain why it's such a surprise to find it on JREF.

In other words, I can easily dismiss your post because it made no freaking sense.