What actually do JREF religious believers believe?

[Mashuna]

There must be something there? Or how can we exist at all?

If you found this 'something', would you not worry that there was a 'something else' behind it?

 

[dafydd]

If you found this 'something', would you not worry that there was a 'something else' behind it?

That would be an unknown unknown unknown. It's unknowns all the way down in the mystic world.

 

[kerikiwi]

There must be something there? Or how can we exist at all?

There must be something where? Other than here, that is.

 

[dafydd]

There must be something where? Other than here, that is.

Why there should be anything but existence is something that punshhh never explains.

 

[dafydd]

You could be searching for this x factor for the rest of your life, but you'll be chasing a shadow which always moves further away from you because it's an illusion. Enjoy imagining it, learning what others think about it, but don't expect ever to find a definitive answer! Do you wonder why such an answer isn't available already?

Or why nobody has found it during the last few thousand years.

 

[punshhh]

punshhh

Ok, then, I understand better now, I was confused before. Thank you for your replies, and best wishes in your search.

Thanks for your contribution.

 

[punshhh]

Better in reality, or better in your own perception?

A net contribution to the well being of the ecosystem of the planet, focussing specifically on the human role as custodian.

 

[punshhh]

You could be searching for this x factor for the rest of your life, but you'll be chasing a shadow which always moves further away from you because it's an illusion. Enjoy imagining it, learning what others think about it, but don't expect ever to find a definitive answer! Do you wonder why such an answer isn't available already?

Yes it is the journey rather than the goal which is important. Or should I say the path.

 

[punshhh]

That would be an unknown unknown unknown. It's unknowns all the way down in the mystic world.

Its unknowns all the way down for all of us, or are you in d nile.

 

[punshhh]

If you found this 'something', would you not worry that there was a 'something else' behind it?

I've already given up worrying about anything(mostly).

What you are pointing to here is regression. In the western tradition of philosophy (WTP), enquiries end once they reach regression, as there is no reductionist way around it. In mysticism and eastern philosophy this point is the start of enquiry. As the paradox in regression when applied to existence is a very revealing touch stone.

 

[punshhh]

There must be something where? Other than here, that is.

Well actually I do mean here.

 

[punshhh]

Why there should be anything but existence is something that punshhh never explains.

You should think about the word existence, its meaning is not as simple as the way you use it here.

 

[pakeha]

Hi.
I've been following the thread on and off and perhaps I missed your take on the meaning of the word 'existence'.
Could you post up what existence means to you, Please?

 

[dafydd]

You should think about the word existence, its meaning is not as simple as the way you use it here.

Why not?

 

[dafydd]

Could you post up what existence means to you, Please?

Something unknown and mystical, no doubt.

 

[punshhh]

Hi.
I've been following the thread on and off and perhaps I missed your take on the meaning of the word 'existence'.
Could you post up what existence means to you, Please?

Hi pakeha, I presume your question is addressed to me.

What existence means to me is not a simple thing to explain, as I think about it in conceptual form rather than in language. Basically my position is that if something exists, it takes a form constituted of some kind of substance and is in someway present in respect of other existing things. This form distinguishes the thing or group of things from what its or their none existence (or absence) would constitute.

The detail might need teasing out a bit.

 

[dafydd]

Hi pakeha, I presume your question is addressed to me.

What existence means to me is not a simple thing to explain, as I think about it in conceptual form rather than in language. Basically my position is that if something exists, it takes a form constituted of some kind of substance and is in someway present in respect of other existing things. This form distinguishes the thing or group of things from what its or their none existence (or absence) would constitute.

Unintelligible, especially the last sentence. I presume that you meant non-existence.

 

[pakeha]

Hi pakeha, I presume your question is addressed to me.

What existence means to me is not a simple thing to explain, as I think about it in conceptual form rather than in language. Basically my position is that if something exists, it takes a form constituted of some kind of substance and is in someway present in respect of other existing things. This form distinguishes the thing or group of things from what its or their none existence (or absence) would constitute.

The detail might need teasing out a bit.

Yes.
I left out the ^ at the beginning of my post which would have made it clear, sorry!

Thanks for the reply.
When you say 'takes a form' do you mean that existence is in some way voluntary?

 

[punshhh]

Unintelligible, especially the last sentence. I presume that you meant non-existence.

You must be the guru of spelling around here, I can't get a spelling mistake past you. Provided it is intelligible to you.

 

[punshhh]

Yes.
I left out the ^ at the beginning of my post which would have made it clear, sorry!

Thanks for the reply.
When you say 'takes a form' do you mean that existence is in some way voluntary?

I would not presume to confine existence in terms of voluntary or not, I leave it open.

In the acknowledgement that what exists may not conform to our notions about things, including logic or the laws of thermodynamics. I deal with it outside (independent of) any notion of time or space or causality as is familiar in theories of a spacetime continuum (SPC). Or if falling within those ideas as potentially independent of the known SPC, in which we experience our existence.