What's wrong with this definition of God: maker of heaven and earth and everything?
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I was just thinking yesterday that I just didn't find Yrreg as entertaining as I used to, but then here he is, furiously arguing that you can go north of the north pole because space travel therefore god.
Just when you thought that Yrreg couldn't surprise you any more, he comes up with a gem like this. You couldn't make it up.
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I was just thinking yesterday that I just didn't find Yrreg as entertaining as I used to, but then here he is, furiously arguing that you can go north of the north pole because space travel therefore god.
That was hilarious. Even Justinian2, who has made his feelings on atheists abundantly clear, has not embraced Yrreg's latest nonsense, despite initially dropping by this thread to give some support.
You have got to have a point of reference all the time and everywhere.
You say: " "North" has no meaning in deep space."
No meaning for nobody, but suppose you are in a space ship and you are a somebody human coming back to home on earth, see if you can get home if North has no meaning for you and you are a body meaning a human being with a home on earth.
You see, you guys atheists have to always keep in mind that you are humans and you humans or us all humans are the ones talking about everything including nothing but also about God as in concept understood as the unique uncreated creator and operator of the created universe.
That is what I think now of you atheists, you don't have any point of reference: it is always you being so humble and thus so miserable you can only talk without bringing yourselves into the topic, thus you don't anymore exist but empty words which come from nothing i.e. you nothing, just as your universe came from nothing and by randomness produces like your no matter tawdry brain at present (don't bring in now at this point natural selection,* because that is cheating, but you guys are intellectual self-cheaters).
You have got to have a point of reference all the time and everywhere.
*Natural selection, don't bring that in when you start with randomness prevailing all over the universe and all the time, because then it is no longer randomness; and don't bring in either probability, because then it is no longer randomness -- because probability means it will happen only we don't know when, not that it cannot happen (for if a thing cannot happen at all, then no amount of probability everywhere and anytime will ever see it coming about into existence).
About jumping up and down, you cannot see that jumping up and down on earth is jumping northward and falling southward, so that if there is a tunnel all the way to the South Pole, you will get to the South Pole as you shoot into that tunnel.
Same also with you shooting yourself or jettisoning yourself from west to east or from east to west.
Yrreg
You say: " "North" has no meaning in deep space."
No meaning for nobody, but suppose you are in a space ship and you are a somebody human coming back to home on earth, see if you can get home if North has no meaning for you and you are a body meaning a human being with a home on earth.
You see, you guys atheists have to always keep in mind that you are humans and you humans or us all humans are the ones talking about everything including nothing but also about God as in concept understood as the unique uncreated creator and operator of the created universe.
That is what I think now of you atheists, you don't have any point of reference: it is always you being so humble and thus so miserable you can only talk without bringing yourselves into the topic, thus you don't anymore exist but empty words which come from nothing i.e. you nothing, just as your universe came from nothing and by randomness produces like your no matter tawdry brain at present (don't bring in now at this point natural selection,* because that is cheating, but you guys are intellectual self-cheaters).
You have got to have a point of reference all the time and everywhere.
*Natural selection, don't bring that in when you start with randomness prevailing all over the universe and all the time, because then it is no longer randomness; and don't bring in either probability, because then it is no longer randomness -- because probability means it will happen only we don't know when, not that it cannot happen (for if a thing cannot happen at all, then no amount of probability everywhere and anytime will ever see it coming about into existence).
About jumping up and down, you cannot see that jumping up and down on earth is jumping northward and falling southward, so that if there is a tunnel all the way to the South Pole, you will get to the South Pole as you shoot into that tunnel.
Same also with you shooting yourself or jettisoning yourself from west to east or from east to west.
Yrreg
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Yrreg, stop digging yourself into this idiotic hole. You are posting little more than nonsense now.
Jumping up and down is going north and south?
Okay, we have now come to what is north and what is North Pole in the sentence i.e. question:
Shall we all now work together the purpose of concurring on the concepts of what is north and what is North Pole -- and what is the whole wiseguy idea of the author of that question (thus feeling himself so smart, but he can't even see himself as a cheater on nothingness being the origin of the universe).
First off, according to dafydd North Pole is a metaphor or whatever language mode it is supposed to be employed for by which it represents the singularity whatever.
I am going to dictionaries now, instead of using my stock knowledge of English.
But later, have to take a break now.
Yrreg
- "What is north of the North Pole?"
Shall we all now work together the purpose of concurring on the concepts of what is north and what is North Pole -- and what is the whole wiseguy idea of the author of that question (thus feeling himself so smart, but he can't even see himself as a cheater on nothingness being the origin of the universe).
First off, according to dafydd North Pole is a metaphor or whatever language mode it is supposed to be employed for by which it represents the singularity whatever.
I am going to dictionaries now, instead of using my stock knowledge of English.
But later, have to take a break now.
Yrreg
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Go rest a bit, and see if you are able to gain some basic understanding of geography and navigation.
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What the hell language is this? I mean, I recognize them all as English words but they're used in ways that were never intended.
Oh, Gerry... I'm bursting with laughter here. Never before have I seen anyone take such pride in such ignorance, and proudly present it. Jumping up and down is going north and south!
If a hole was dug in Manila straight down, and I jumped in, would I be going east or west?
If a hole was dug in Manila straight down, and I jumped in, would I be going east or west?
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Gerry, there is no "north of the North Pole". It is oxymoronic.
Similarly, the phrase "before time" is oxymoronic.
The whole point is that your "where did the universe come from?" argument for your God is based on an erroneous assumption that the universe came from anything at all. It's likely that the Big Bang is no more the beginning of the universe than the North Pole is the beginning of the Earth's surface.
Similarly, the phrase "before time" is oxymoronic.
The whole point is that your "where did the universe come from?" argument for your God is based on an erroneous assumption that the universe came from anything at all. It's likely that the Big Bang is no more the beginning of the universe than the North Pole is the beginning of the Earth's surface.
Since you have no idea of the meaning of the idiom 'moving the goalposts', perhaps you had better refrain from referring to goalposts at all
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Yrreg, are you really utterly incapable of admitting to a simple error?
Nothing is north of the north pole. The north pole is what all northerly directions point to. If you point away from it, you are no longer going north. That includes going up.
North is not an abstraction in space, and it is not an absolute direction. It is a direction on the surface of the earth relative to the North Pole. If one person starts in London and heads due north, and another starts in Amchitka and heads due north, they will both be heading due North, and yet they will also be proceeding in precisely opposite directions if considered from above. When they meet at the North Pole they will be facing each other, and if they miss their destination they will pass each other and continue in opposite directions. e.t.a. opposite, away from each other, but also both due south!
How many different ways can this be put before you will admit that you simply got it wrong?
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Let's take that quote of yours above and see how it fits into the "self thought up ideas" definition. Your "self thought up ideas" of God aren't original at all, are they? In fact, these "ideas" you have were read from the Apostles Creed; Even the thread title IS the Apostles Creed with you asking what's wrong the definition. No "self thought up ideas" from your position.
So HA HA Gotcha.
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It's possible that yrreg has me on ignore, so could someone please quote my post on the previous page with the explanation of compass and cardinal points? Thanks.
Just in case he doesn't have me on ignore, let me try again.
Yrreg, please stop, you are embarrassing yourself with this major error about up being the same as north. It's not a matter of definition, it's just factually wrong. It's equivalent to insisting that the moon is made of cheese.
I linked you to the wikipedia page earlier discussing cardinal (compass) points, and even quoted the specific sentence explaining that there are six directions, not four, once you move away from mapmaking and into the real world.
Try this. You live in the Philippines, so you are not at either of the earth's poles. If you stand in your house, you can point towards the north, south, east or west. If you point north with one hand, and upwards with the other hand, your hands are not pointing in the same direction. If you go towards the north, you are not going upwards, and if you jump upwards, you are not going north.
If you jump up and down on the spot in your house, are you going in exactly the same direction is if you took a step to the north? No, you aren't. Up and north are different directions.
I do not know why you are derailing into space travel, but it is done with points of reference (such as stars, with known positions), and bearings relative to those points of reference. North, south, east and west have no meanings in space because they are only used for travel at (or very close to) the surface of a planet. They are only useful for describing travel in two dimensions, such as on a map or on the surface of the planet.
By the way, the tradition of maps that upwards (towards the top) on the sheet of paper or on a globe is going north is just that - a tradition. It doesn't mean that going upwards away from the surface of the earth, such as jumping upwards, is going north at all.
Is this clear enough, or do we need to explain in a more simple manner? The thing is, sometimes you just have to accept factual information.
The moon is not made of cheese, it's made of lunar rock. You can probably accept this without going there and checking (at least, I hope you do accept this as a fact).
Similarly, it is a fact that up and down are different directions from north or south. It's not a matter of definition, it's just simple incontrovertible fact.
Just in case he doesn't have me on ignore, let me try again.
Yrreg, please stop, you are embarrassing yourself with this major error about up being the same as north. It's not a matter of definition, it's just factually wrong. It's equivalent to insisting that the moon is made of cheese.
I linked you to the wikipedia page earlier discussing cardinal (compass) points, and even quoted the specific sentence explaining that there are six directions, not four, once you move away from mapmaking and into the real world.
Try this. You live in the Philippines, so you are not at either of the earth's poles. If you stand in your house, you can point towards the north, south, east or west. If you point north with one hand, and upwards with the other hand, your hands are not pointing in the same direction. If you go towards the north, you are not going upwards, and if you jump upwards, you are not going north.
If you jump up and down on the spot in your house, are you going in exactly the same direction is if you took a step to the north? No, you aren't. Up and north are different directions.
I do not know why you are derailing into space travel, but it is done with points of reference (such as stars, with known positions), and bearings relative to those points of reference. North, south, east and west have no meanings in space because they are only used for travel at (or very close to) the surface of a planet. They are only useful for describing travel in two dimensions, such as on a map or on the surface of the planet.
By the way, the tradition of maps that upwards (towards the top) on the sheet of paper or on a globe is going north is just that - a tradition. It doesn't mean that going upwards away from the surface of the earth, such as jumping upwards, is going north at all.
Is this clear enough, or do we need to explain in a more simple manner? The thing is, sometimes you just have to accept factual information.
The moon is not made of cheese, it's made of lunar rock. You can probably accept this without going there and checking (at least, I hope you do accept this as a fact).
Similarly, it is a fact that up and down are different directions from north or south. It's not a matter of definition, it's just simple incontrovertible fact.
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Mashuna
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Here you go Yrreg, a nice clear explanation of North for us all to agree on, kindly provided by Agatha.
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