What's wrong with this definition of God: maker of heaven and earth and everything?

[yrreg]

Dear dafydd, know anything about navigation in space?

Originally Posted by yrreg

You piece words together without thinking and without any actual experience.

Okay, dummy, just try this experience, imagine that you are flying an airplane and you are above the North Pole, and you want to get farther north, what do you do?

You are lost and asking yourself what is north of the North Pole?

Go and do that exercise in your brain, or you are not accustomed to use your brain.


But with regrets from my part, the phrase "more north onward farther north," should be read (but only because you do not have reading comprehension) thus: more north upward [onward] farther north."


I hate to say this, but my exposure to atheists' thinking and talking-writing is that they are not accustomed to think and to talk-write comprehensively i.e. intelligently, they seem to be bereft of any thinking and reading and writing comprehension and skill as to understand intelligently and communicate intelligently.

Or they purposely want to play dummy per their agenda of dodging.


Anyway, tell me, if you are an airplane pilot with your craft hovering say 200 meters above the North Pole, meaning above that point of planet earth which is the North Pole point, and you want to get still higher above the North Pole, i.e. directly farther north-bound in space above the point on the earth's surface called the North Pole, what do you do?

I have never flown an airplane but I have flown kites, and if I want my kite to still climb higher above where I am actually standing on earth, I give it extra string; but of course it cannot be exactly directly vertically above my head upward as to be perpendicularly above in the sky situated in reference to the earth's surface I am standing on.

Okay, what about a space shuttle, can it not be launched upward from the point location of the North Pole, and be navigated so as to climb higher and higher and higher directly upward northbound into farther space directly above the earth's North Pole?



I am ready and eager to learn from people more intelligent and learned and experienced than myself; but from my exposure with atheists, they are not any more intelligent or more learned or more intelligent than myself, only more gullible and unthinking and more arrogant and scornful.
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Yrreg
You have already had one warning. As for your nonsense about the plane, it would be going into space, where there is no north. Imagine a spaceship a million light years from the Earth. Imagine a straight line drawn from the spaceship to the north pole, which just happens to be in the right position. If the spaceship increased the distance from the Earth would it be going north?

''Engage engines Mr. Sulu.''
''Course, Captain?''
''North''



Are you sure that you want to be on his side, Justinian?
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Last edited by dafydd; Today at 06:47 AM.

Dear dafydd, know anything about navigation in space?


Perhaps you can be our resource expert here.

Tell me what do earthlings do when now they are navigating in space for a point of reference in their travels in space.


I am serious, no more nonsense, tell readers here how humans navigate in space.



Yrreg

 

[Agatha]

Yes, let us derail into space navigation instead of concentrating on the most recent point at issue, which was the question about going north of the north pole, and your erroneous belief that going up is north. If you really want to understand space navigation there is plenty on the internet to keep you busy, but it's wildly off topic for this thread.

 

[Ryokan]

How long have you thought that UP is the same thing as NORTH? It is good that you haven't titled any of your posts "This post contains logic" or "This post contains sense" since none of yours do.

Duh, just go and find a globe. Put your finger anywhere on it, then move it towards north. Notice that your finger goes up!

 

[Justinian2]

Almost as weird as the $cientology thread which you have ran from.

It was closed. We can't talk about that thread here.

A lot of argument by allegory and metaphor here that I can't understand.

This thread doesn't correlate well with my idea that God is the guy that runs the simulation or game called life. Perhaps we're all in a fantasy football-type game between the trolls and the good guys.

 

[dafydd]

I am serious, no more nonsense, tell readers here how humans navigate in space.

Here is a Caltech video which will explain it to you. Always happy to help with your education, don't hesitate to ask again.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3924221806234903981

 

[dafydd]

It was closed. .

It's open. You ran away from it. Should we respect imaginary beings, or indeed imaginary religions like $cientology? All religions are imaginary, of course.

 

[Hokulele]

Dear dafydd, know anything about navigation in space?


Perhaps you can be our resource expert here.

Tell me what do earthlings do when now they are navigating in space for a point of reference in their travels in space.


I am serious, no more nonsense, tell readers here how humans navigate in space.



Yrreg

People navigate in space by using reference objects to triangulate position. "North" has no meaning in deep space.

Also, if you are standing in Manila and jump up and down, do you believe you are heading north and south with each jump, or does that only work at the North Pole? Can you jump east and west too?

 

[dafydd]

Yrreg, the north of the north pole was a metaphor for beyond the singularity. Didn't you understand that? After all, you are much smarter than we are.

 

[dafydd]

People navigate in space by using reference objects to triangulate position. "North" has no meaning in deep space.

Also, if you are standing in Manila and jump up and down, do you believe you are heading north and south with each jump, or does that only work at the North Pole? Can you jump east and west too?

It may come as a shock to Yrreg that humans know how to navigate in space. How did the Mars rovers get there? Not to mention all the probes. Did he really think that they navigated by magnetic compass?

 

[bruto]

Yrreg, your discussion of the "north" issue shows what a problem will always exist in any discussion here.

You have simply redefined "north" to mean something other than the meaning that others use when they use the term, and then, as usual, blamed others for not sharing your utterly zany and incompetent invention of new meanings to explain ideas that appear to be inexpressible in any common language.

If you take off skyward after reaching the North Pole (either true or magnetic) you do not get closer to the North. You get further away, because North is defined by its position on the surface of the earth, not an arbitrary direction in space. So clearly to everyone but you, leaving the earth is not the way to get there, any more than flying to the moon is the way to get closer to Manila after you've arrived there.

Addressing this fundamental question does not require any knowledge about space navigation or any other practical sort of navigation. Do not obfuscate further by pretending that there is some esoteric knowledge that will clear up your basic errors of understanding and using English. You have simply made a mistake.

 

[dafydd]

You have simply redefined "north" to mean something other than the meaning that others use when they use the term, and then, as usual, blamed others for not sharing your utterly zany and incompetent invention of new meanings to explain ideas that appear to be inexpressible in any common language.

Perhaps Yrreg would furnish us with a glossary of the words that he has redefined to suit his own peculiar logic.

 

[Agatha]

Every word in the Concise Oxford, apparently.

Yrreg, do you understand now that up and north are two different directions, or has anyone been unclear?

 

[dafydd]

Every word in the Concise Oxford, apparently.

Yrreg, do you understand now that up and north are two different directions, or has anyone been unclear?

A simple yes or no will suffice, Yrreg. Or would you like it again in simpler terms? if you took off vertically from any point on the Earth, including the North Pole, you would go up. Or try this. If you took off from the Moon, heading for the Earth, in which direction would you go? Am I getting through to you?

 

[X]

Well, originally the claim was that God exists because we have a penis, but he later modified it to a nose.

Specifically, it was that the penis works (and doesn't fall off), and therefore must have been designed. Amusingly, for the uninitiated, yrreg chose to use a member as an example for the penis argument. His stance was that said forum member has a penis, therefore God. Unbeknownst to yrreg, the forum member he chose to use as an example is a woman.

The nose argument was a distancing of the argument of design (penis). It followed (or was supposed to follow) the same convoluted script as the penis argument, but instead launched from a first cause argument ("the nose has a beginning and an ending"). A few other posters and myself managed to get yrreg to state his full argument, and then we shredded that argument (but the search function is giving me errors, and I can't find my post). It wasn't pretty.

And thus yrreg is back to prancing about definitions, and insulting everyone. I doubt he'll dare to actually state his argument. Not until we all sycophantically agree with him at every step of the way. And from long experience, we all know yrreg will not consider and countering points of view. it's his definitions, his script, and his conclusions. Anything else makes you a Dawkins-worshipping unthinking atheist.

 

[dafydd]

Anything else makes you a Dawkins-worshipping unthinking atheist.

Especially if you are an atheist like me who doesn't know much about Dawkins.

 

[Foster Zygote]

You piece words together without thinking and without any actual experience.

Okay, dummy, just try this experience, imagine that you are flying an airplane and you are above the North Pole, and you want to get farther north, what do you do?

You are lost and asking yourself what is north of the North Pole?

Go and do that exercise in your brain, or you are not accustomed to use your brain.


But with regrets from my part, the phrase "more north onward farther north," should be read (but only because you do not have reading comprehension) thus: more north upward [onward] farther north."


I hate to say this, but my exposure to atheists' thinking and talking-writing is that they are not accustomed to think and to talk-write comprehensively i.e. intelligently, they seem to be bereft of any thinking and reading and writing comprehension and skill as to understand intelligently and communicate intelligently.

Or they purposely want to play dummy per their agenda of dodging.


Anyway, tell me, if you are an airplane pilot with your craft hovering say 200 meters above the North Pole, meaning above that point of planet earth which is the North Pole point, and you want to get still higher above the North Pole, i.e. directly farther north-bound in space above the point on the earth's surface called the North Pole, what do you do?

I have never flown an airplane but I have flown kites, and if I want my kite to still climb higher above where I am actually standing on earth, I give it extra string; but of course it cannot be exactly directly vertically above my head upward as to be perpendicularly above in the sky situated in reference to the earth's surface I am standing on.

Okay, what about a space shuttle, can it not be launched upward from the point location of the North Pole, and be navigated so as to climb higher and higher and higher directly upward northbound into farther space directly above the earth's North Pole?



I am ready and eager to learn from people more intelligent and learned and experienced than myself; but from my exposure with atheists, they are not any more intelligent or more learned or more intelligent than myself, only more gullible and unthinking and more arrogant and scornful.



Yrreg

Sorry, Gerry, upward is not north.

 

[yomero]

Here you go:


And who could forget yrreg's "God exists, argument from penis and vagina" thread?

I think we can all agree that the title ''Yrreg's God exists argument from penis and vagina'' has a niftier sound to it than ''St. Anselm's ontological argument'' or Kalam cosmological argument'' or even ''St. Thomas Aquinas' qinque viae''.

 

[dafydd]

I think we can all agree that the title ''Yrreg's God exists argument from penis and vagina'' has a niftier sound to it than ''St. Anselm's ontological argument'' or Kalam cosmological argument'' or even ''St. Thomas Aquinas' qinque viae''.

Ah, the old biblical tale of St. Penis And The Holy Vagina. An uplifting tale. Sorry Yrreg, a northlifting tale.

 

[yrreg]

It is so hard almost impossible to get connected with atheists.

Originally Posted by yrreg

I am serious, no more nonsense, tell readers here how humans navigate in space.

​

Here is a Caltech video which will explain it to you. Always happy to help with your education, don't hesitate to ask again.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21806234903981
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Dear dafydd, I am asking you if you have any idea about our point of reference in space travel.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8535521&postcount=2143 = #2143

Originally Posted by dafydd

Originally Posted by yrreg

You piece words together without thinking and without any actual experience.

Okay, dummy, just try this experience, imagine that you are flying an airplane and you are above the North Pole, and you want to get farther north, what do you do?

You are lost and asking yourself what is north of the North Pole?

Go and do that exercise in your brain, or you are not accustomed to use your brain.


But with regrets from my part, the phrase "more north onward farther north," should be read (but only because you do not have reading comprehension) thus: more north upward [onward] farther north."


I hate to say this, but my exposure to atheists' thinking and talking-writing is that they are not accustomed to think and to talk-write comprehensively i.e. intelligently, they seem to be bereft of any thinking and reading and writing comprehension and skill as to understand intelligently and communicate intelligently.

Or they purposely want to play dummy per their agenda of dodging.


Anyway, tell me, if you are an airplane pilot with your craft hovering say 200 meters above the North Pole, meaning above that point of planet earth which is the North Pole point, and you want to get still higher above the North Pole, i.e. directly farther north-bound in space above the point on the earth's surface called the North Pole, what do you do?

I have never flown an airplane but I have flown kites, and if I want my kite to still climb higher above where I am actually standing on earth, I give it extra string; but of course it cannot be exactly directly vertically above my head upward as to be perpendicularly above in the sky situated in reference to the earth's surface I am standing on.

Okay, what about a space shuttle, can it not be launched upward from the point location of the North Pole, and be navigated so as to climb higher and higher and higher directly upward northbound into farther space directly above the earth's North Pole?



I am ready and eager to learn from people more intelligent and learned and experienced than myself; but from my exposure with atheists, they are not any more intelligent or more learned or more intelligent than myself, only more gullible and unthinking and more arrogant and scornful.

Yrreg
​

You have already had one warning. As for your nonsense about the plane, it would be going into space, where there is no north. Imagine a spaceship a million light years from the Earth. Imagine a straight line drawn from the spaceship to the north pole, which just happens to be in the right position. If the spaceship increased the distance from the Earth would it be going north?

''Engage engines Mr. Sulu.''
''Course, Captain?''
''North''



Are you sure that you want to be on his side, Justinian?
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Last edited by dafydd; Today at 06:47 AM.

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Dear dafydd, know anything about navigation in space?


Perhaps you can be our resource expert here.

Tell me what do earthlings do when now they are navigating in space for a point of reference in their travels in space.


I am serious, no more nonsense, tell readers here how humans navigate in space.



Yrreg

It is so hard almost impossible to get connected with you atheists.

First, your thinking like that of Hawking is so self-delimited that you yourselves don't even know that, that is why Hawking thinks that he is so smart asking people what is north of the North Pole.

I am writing here with fear and trembling because I see myself to have gone into the land of cannibals: who do not subscribe to the taboo of they eating what to all appearances are organisms having with them the same identical essential nature -- anytime I can have my throat slit and thereby here annihilated.


Do you or don't you have from stock knowledge what is our as humans earthlings our point of reference in space travels.


From stock knowledge on my part, I know about point of reference in ground street traffic at home, then also land point of reference in land transportation, next roughly of sky transportation or travel that is with aircrafts, with space travel my stock knowledge is very crude but I modesty aside still submit that it is founded upon my experience in regard to what I call points of reference in all kinds and manners of my movement from one point in time and space to another.

So, do you or don't you have any notion of our point of reference in space travel?

If you have, please share it with readers here, and don't give references, just give us your stock knowledge in your own everyday plain man in the street English.


Now, at this point, you as an experienced atheist although most of your atheist experiences are askew, will tell me that you are not here to give me any free education.

If you don't have any notion whatever of our point of reference in space travels, just say so, and I will ask other atheists here who might be more informed, or go to the proper boards where posters talk about navigation in space travel.

Giving cites is nothing about sharing your stock knowledge if you have any, in your own plain language that is accessible to everyman in the street.



Yrreg

 

[dafydd]

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If you don't have any notion whatever of our point of reference in space travels, just say so, and I will ask other atheists here who might be more informed, or go to the proper boards where posters talk about navigation in space travel.

I do have a notion. The right one. You haven't got a clue. You did not understand the North Pole analogy with the Big Bang in the first place. If you are standing on the North Pole, then any step you take in any direction will take you south. Put that up a couple of dimensions and bingo! Got it now?