Newt promises a permanent moonbase by the end of his second term

[fuelair]

Given that his first term is likely to be only a figment of his imagination, I suspect he is right.

 

[fuelair]

Oops, bad phrasing on that last post. We know he is right because he is a)republicker and b) conservative and c)dissolute and d) a liar and e)slime, but enough of his accomplishments. What I should have said was "correct".

 

[Corsair 115]

My definition of "failed" is creating $50,000 per year jobs for $1,000,000 per year in government "stimulus". And other such ridiculous things. How about yours?

First, citation for your numbers.

Second, I will simply point you to the CBO's analysis which shows that without the stimulus unemployment would have been higher and GDP growth slower. Perhaps you consider those two outcomes inconsequential?

 

[fuelair]

First, citation for your numbers.

Second, I will simply point you to the CBO's analysis which shows that without the stimulus unemployment would have been higher and GDP growth slower. Perhaps you consider those two outcomes inconsequential?

Well, sure they would if Obama did 'em. Uppity by dadgummit to be doing the right thing when evrybody worth a spit knows only upright uptight bible thumpin' white republickers can ever be right!!!

 

[mhaze]

....I will simply point you to the CBO's analysis which shows that without the stimulus unemployment would have been higher and GDP growth slower. Perhaps you consider those two outcomes inconsequential?

I consider them FALSE, but I may well be using a different time frame, method of analysis, different definition of "unemployment", and a different interpretation of "GDP", than the CBO. Given a wild enough set of premises, you can "prove" most anything.

What part of this is complicated to understand?

 

[Darth Rotor]

Plausible reason to set up a moon base:

Allow all Moonies to return home.

(For those not familiar, see a biography of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. His followers were once called Moonies back in the 80's. )

"Moon has claimed, and it is generally believed by Unification Church members, that he is the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ and is fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission. Moon himself gave the following answer to the question wether is he messiah or not: "Yes I am. But so are you." Then he pointed to each person around him: "And so are you, and you, and you."

I think he's the perfect guy to lead his people to the moon, and may be able to afford the trip.

Ben: I like your idea about harvesting, if the market price stays where you think it will. Newt's abbreviated timeline strikes me as being a great way to force a program into a mishap. More dead astronauts.

 

[Corsair 115]

I consider them FALSE...

Ah, so you're more knowledgeable than the experts at the Congressional Budget Office? Well, that's good to know. Perhaps you can start a thread detailing exactly what the CBO reports got wrong, complete with all the supporting evidence demonstrating why you are correct and the CBO wrong. Do let us know when you have passed your detailed and well-researched critique to the CBO and what they had to say about your corrections.

 

[Cleon]

Newt Gingrich's Moon Colony by 2020: Can it be done?

No.

 

[Muldur]

Mhaze:....Well,that ignores post 158 nicely. No you do not. You need investors to buy the He3 for it's future value. It is no more or less than a commodity trade. You need near term fusion technology to "maximize the current value" of He3. In the commodities market, stockpiled He3 would have prices set by aggregate investors opinions of the time before fusion technology existed, then modified by the location of the material (A) on earth (B0 stockpiled on the moon.

As several people have tried to explain, expecting "investors" in He3 when we don't have fusion tech to BURN the He3 would be like expecting a stone-age caveman to be interested in "investing" in gasoline 1000s of years before the IC engine had even been developed.

No one in their right mind is going to speculate in a useless commodity.

That is a truly profound depth of misunderstanding. Please read post 118 and come back with your comments. Or...don't...

I understand perfectly.

I understand that He3, pretty pictures of Earth, and video of people bouncing around in micro-g have no utility. He3 MAY some day have utility, but that day is a very very long way off if it ever comes.

I understand that right here and now there are people homeless.

I understand that right here and now there are people without adequate health care.

I understand that right here and now there are people who are hungry.

I understand all those things, as well as the fact that none of your astro-nuts want to man up and offer to look Joe, Jane, Johnny and Suzie Sixpack in the face and explain to them how their suffering right here and now is supposed to maybe someday possibly potentially somehow in the future sometime somehow pay off.

That's not a trade that is in our best interests, nor would I expect you to get many volunteers to go sick, cold and hungry to fund your He3 pipe dream.

 

[Muldur]

Personally, I would much rather pay for a moon base than pay your rent and buy you a car.

Which basically proves what I've known about you since nearly the first time we interacted: you're a soulless Social Darwinist who would rather see resources thrown away than used to benefit people you don't like (ie, the poor).

The day of people like you is nearly over, and I can't wait to see your ideology tossed into the historical midden where it belongs.

 

[mhaze]

As several people have tried to explain, expecting "investors" in He3 when we don't have fusion tech to BURN the He3 would be like expecting a stone-age caveman to be interested in "investing" in gasoline 1000s of years before the IC engine had even been developed.

No one in their right mind is going to speculate in a useless commodity.



I understand perfectly.

I understand that He3, pretty pictures of Earth, and video of people bouncing around in micro-g have no utility. He3 MAY some day have utility, but that day is a very very long way off if it ever comes.

I understand that right here and now there are people homeless.

I understand that right here and now there are people without adequate health care.

I understand that right here and now there are people who are hungry.

I understand all those things, as well as the fact that none of your astro-nuts want to man up and offer to look Joe, Jane, Johnny and Suzie Sixpack in the face and explain to them how their suffering right here and now is supposed to maybe someday possibly potentially somehow in the future sometime somehow pay off.

That's not a trade that is in our best interests, nor would I expect you to get many volunteers to go sick, cold and hungry to fund your He3 pipe dream.

Thank you. Now explain how marxist china, which embodies your principles of collectivist good-for-all, is doing with their moon base plan which they pursue at the cost of vast suffering to their population - and they don't care.

Hint: It's all about He3.

 

[mhaze]

Ah, so you're more knowledgeable than the experts at the Congressional Budget Office? Well, that's good to know. Perhaps you can start a thread detailing exactly what the CBO reports got wrong, complete with all the supporting evidence demonstrating why you are correct and the CBO wrong. Do let us know when you have passed your detailed and well-researched critique to the CBO and what they had to say about your corrections.

I think my post was pretty self explanatory, and no, you in your misunderstandings and confusions are not qualified to ladle out work to other people. In fact, you have erred logically in making an argument to authority, when the four differences were already stated.

The correct approach is for you to take those four differences and try to understand what they mean. Or don't ... if you can't or are not in the mood, I couldn't care less.

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

Thank you. Now explain how marxist china, which embodies your principles of collectivist good-for-all, is doing with their moon base plan which they pursue at the cost of vast suffering to their population - and they don't care.

Hint: It's all about He3.

Wow. You really don't know much about China.

Hint: They are capitalists.

ETA: How does "collectivist good-for-all" end up as "at the cost of vast suffering to their population - and they don't care"?

 

[3point14]

Well, sure they would if Obama did 'em. Uppity by dadgummit to be doing the right thing when evrybody worth a spit knows only upright uptight bible thumpin' white republickers can ever be right!!!

I don't understand what this means.

 

[3point14]

As several people have tried to explain, expecting "investors" in He3 when we don't have fusion tech to BURN the He3 would be like expecting a stone-age caveman to be interested in "investing" in gasoline 1000s of years before the IC engine had even been developed.

No one in their right mind is going to speculate in a useless commodity.



I understand perfectly.

I understand that He3, pretty pictures of Earth, and video of people bouncing around in micro-g have no utility. He3 MAY some day have utility, but that day is a very very long way off if it ever comes.

I understand that right here and now there are people homeless.

I understand that right here and now there are people without adequate health care.

I understand that right here and now there are people who are hungry.

I understand all those things, as well as the fact that none of your astro-nuts want to man up and offer to look Joe, Jane, Johnny and Suzie Sixpack in the face and explain to them how their suffering right here and now is supposed to maybe someday possibly potentially somehow in the future sometime somehow pay off.

That's not a trade that is in our best interests, nor would I expect you to get many volunteers to go sick, cold and hungry to fund your He3 pipe dream.

But the world is never, ever going to be perfect. If you wait for perfection on earth before starting any plan to leave it, you'll simply never leave.

 

[3point14]

Thank you. Now explain how marxist china, which embodies your principles of collectivist good-for-all, is doing with their moon base plan which they pursue at the cost of vast suffering to their population - and they don't care.

Hint: It's all about He3.

(Bolding mine)

I think you may be under a slight misapprehension as to the nature of Chinese government.

 

[3point14]

I think my post was pretty self explanatory, and no, you in your misunderstandings and confusions are not qualified to ladle out work to other people. In fact, you have erred logically in making an argument to authority, when the four differences were already stated.

The correct approach is for you to take those four differences and try to understand what they mean. Or don't ... if you can't or are not in the mood, I couldn't care less.

I have to note, you didn't actually provide any evidence. I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, but all you have at the moment is assertion. I'd be very interested in the evidence you're basing your asseritions on.

Care to share?

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

I looked up China's Lunar exploration plans. It seems that in 2010 they announced a plan to put a man on the Moon by 2025 then subsequently build a lunar base. Their plan is to take 15 years just to get a man up there, then figure out how to build a base. At this time they have no hard plans or budget for a moon base, just a vague idea of their next step after getting a man up there.

Newt's plan to get a base up and running in 8 years seems very ambitious in comparison. I'll bet the Russians also have Moon base plans with very vague timelines and objectives. I wouldn't put it past Putin to make some grandiose promise of a Moon base in his campaign.

 

[BenBurch]

Thank you. Now explain how marxist china, which embodies your principles of collectivist good-for-all, is doing with their moon base plan which they pursue at the cost of vast suffering to their population - and they don't care.

Hint: It's all about He3.

LOL!!!!

Your lack of knowledge about China is exceeded only by your lack of knowledge about economics.

I know 6th graders who could have gotten this right.

China is not Marxist in any way, shape, or form. It is a military dictatorship where there is almost unrestrained "capitalism" in which nobody except the leaders have any durable rights at all, and anything can be had for a price, and the needs of the planet are not even thought of.

Your utopia.

Please move.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Re-rail...

Phil Plait, the creator of the Discover blog Bad Astronomy, has an article about the feasibility of a moon base. Particularly in reference to an X Prize-type idea:

And let's not forget that Newt's tax proposal would cut off $1.2 trillion in revenues in the year 2013 alone! There won't be a federal government left even to conduct an X-prize type of project. It will have been drowned in a bathtub.