9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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garethdjb said:
I hope you are not pulling numbers out of your equus hydruntinus again. Would you care to break down that number into how many were gassed at each relevant location and which source you are using?
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Wait a minute, it is you guys pushing the gas stories. Why don't YOU come up with a list? Or are you admitting defeat so we can go for a beer?

My list is: probably 0 gassed for all camps. I will change my mind if you can demonstrate that gassings happened. I mean we are in post 3500+ now.
 
9/11-transvestigator said:
Wait a minute, it is you guys pushing the gas stories. Why don't YOU come up with a list? Or are you admitting defeat so we can go for a beer?

My list is: probably 0 gassed for all camps. I will change my mind if you can demonstrate that gassings happened. I mean we are in post 3500+ now.
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Like you, I don't really know much about the gas chambers. I was wondering where you got that 4 million figure for Jews killed by gassing, that's all. You have a track record on the strawman front after all.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Wait a minute, it is you guys pushing the gas stories. Why don't YOU come up with a list? Or are you admitting defeat so we can go for a beer?

My list is: probably 0 gassed for all camps. I will change my mind if you can demonstrate that gassings happened. I mean we are in post 3500+ now.
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/ftp.py?people/b/broad.pery/broad-testimony

Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing gassing in
Krema I in Auschwitz
[Quoted in "KL Auschwitz as Seen by the SS", p. 176]
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... The "disinfectors" were at work. One of them was SS-Unterscharfuehrer
Teuer, decorated with the Cross of War Merit. With a chisel and a
hammer they opened a few innocuously looking tins which bore the
inscription "Cyclon, to be used against vermin. Attention, poison!
to be opened by trained personnel only!". The tins were filled to
the brim with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after
opening the tins, their contents was thrown into the holes which
were then quickly covered. Meanwhile Grabner gave a sign to the driver
of a lorry, which had stopped close to the crematorium. The driver
started the motor and its deafening noise was louder than the
death cries of the hundreds of people inside, being gassed to death.


http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/ftp.py?people/k/kremer.johann/kremer.001

"From the diary of SS-Doctor Johannes Paul Kremer, entries made while
assigned to Auschwitz:

2 September 1942

3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to me
almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
extermination camp for nothing!


http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/ftp.py?people/k/kremer.johann/kremer.002

SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947:

I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September
1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not
imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.



There you go shitehed, now why dont you go away and climb back into whatever hole you came out of
 
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garethdjb said:
Like you, I don't really know much about the gas chambers. I was wondering where you got that 4 million figure for Jews killed by gassing, that's all.
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I am perplexed... may I conclude that while you attack me you have no idea what position you are defending yourself?

Anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Auschwitz II.......1,400,000
Belzec..................600,000
Chelmno...............320,000
Jasenovac.............600,000
Majdanek.............360,000
Maly Trostinets.......65,000
Sobibór................250,000
Treblinka..............870,000

Total ca. 4,4M exterminated (well according to Zionist edited Wikipedia that is)

According to Wikipedia this is the position you have to defend.
At least you now know what you have to do.

Good luck.
 
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According to Yehuda Bauer, Director of Research at Yad Vashem, there is only one credible eyewitness to gassings at Auschwitz, he writes in his foreword to the book "Eyewitness Auschwitz" by Filip Mueller,

"Filip Mueller's book is a unique document indeed, it is the testimony of the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell what he saw."

So, only one 'eyewitness' to the Auschwitz gassings. And here's the bonus, you only need to read the first six pages of Mueller's book to know that he is a degenerate liar. The first six pages recount an absurd tale of horror with Mueller watching his fellow prisoners being clubbed to death, as a matter of sport, and then Mueller complains bitterly that following the massacre the tea was served too cold. You really have to read this crap to believe it ! See www.holohoax101.com for quotes, or better yet, get the book.

Bauer also says, in the same foreword, that 3.5 million were killed at Auschwitz [1981 ed., he changed the foreword in later eds]
 
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Moss said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_XS3Xra0Xs
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Discussed before. Any idea who spoke these words?

Hint: not Churchill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6llT2ZYg-4E

If you don't know the answer yourself you can find it here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5327381&postcount=3028

Morale: any comedian can do a Churchill... or Himmler impersonation.
You should look for the circumstances on where and how these recordings were 'found'. There was a Poznan meeting with Himmler indeed, but none of the attendees could remember this kind of incriminating content. And why would Himmler allow for making recordings of this?
 
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I'm sure you can come up with a list of comedians that did Himmler impersonations. Or can't you?
The attendees surely had no reason to lie about something that would incriminate them and the organisations they served in. We sure should trust those nazis because they had absolutely nothing to gain from lying... :rolleyes:
 
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Still trying to plug that idiot websty, (no, that's not misspelled) eh, Saggy?

Figured out that starvation was rampant in Eastern Europe in the wake of of WWI, and what this means to your claims that Glynn's letter was a hoax?

And where *are* those pics of the Dachau plumbing you keep running away from?
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BadBoy said:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/ftp.py?people/b/broad.pery/broad-testimony

Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing gassing in
Krema I in Auschwitz
[Quoted in "KL Auschwitz as Seen by the SS", p. 176]
-------------------------------------------------------------
... The "disinfectors" were at work. One of them was SS-Unterscharfuehrer
Teuer, decorated with the Cross of War Merit. With a chisel and a
hammer they opened a few innocuously looking tins which bore the
inscription "Cyclon, to be used against vermin. Attention, poison!
to be opened by trained personnel only!". The tins were filled to
the brim with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after
opening the tins, their contents was thrown into the holes which
were then quickly covered. Meanwhile Grabner gave a sign to the driver
of a lorry, which had stopped close to the crematorium. The driver
started the motor and its deafening noise was louder than the
death cries of the hundreds of people inside, being gassed to death.


http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/ftp.py?people/k/kremer.johann/kremer.001

"From the diary of SS-Doctor Johannes Paul Kremer, entries made while
assigned to Auschwitz:

2 September 1942

3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to me
almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
extermination camp for nothing!


http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/ftp.py?people/k/kremer.johann/kremer.002

SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947:

I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September
1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not
imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.


Kremer and Broad (and Höss) have been dealt with thoroughly here:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p103_Faurisson.html

There you go shitehed
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Just out of curiosity, could anybody explain to me what a 'shitehed' is? It is not in my Anglo-Dutch dictionary. Does it mean 'smarty'?
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Ahem, and for the Churchill impersonation bit: There is zero evidence that the speech you linked to was a Norman Shelley impersonation of Churchill. Seems like it was the genuine thing, despite the Irving claims. (Irving is really an amazing fabulator.)
So an original speech by Churchill is an argument for Himmler having been impersonated on an incriminating record? That is really a masterful argument you have there. I'm really impressed.
 
Moss said:
I'm sure you can come up with a list of comedians that did Himmler impersonations. Or can't you?
The attendees surely had no reason to lie about something that would incriminate them and the organisations they served in. We sure should trust those nazis because they had absolutely nothing to gain from lying... :rolleyes:
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I am not dismissing the recording, just pointing out with real examples like the Churchill one, that when you hear a voice of a prominent person it not necessarily means that the voice belongs indeed to that person.
 
Moss said:
Ahem, and for the Churchill impersonation bit: There is zero evidence that the speech you linked to was a Norman Shelley impersonation of Churchill. Seems like it was the genuine thing, despite the Irving claims. (Irving is really an amazing fabulator.)
So an original speech by Churchill is an argument for Himmler having been impersonated on an incriminating record? That is really a masterful argument you have there. I'm really impressed.
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Rear guard fight: Shelley admitted it himself.

Google "norman shelley admited doing churchill speeches"

BTW: I resent the removal by the mod of the Katyn remarks. It is highly on topic. We are discussing here whether the H-word as established at Nuremberg happened yes or no. If it is clear that at the same show trial the western Allies were willing to cover for the crimes of the Soviets in Katyn that this alone sheds severe doubts about the veracity of the Allies in other matters.
 
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http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Grubach_200707.html

About the Posen speech: Paul Grubach states that the incriminating part refers to the actions of the Einsatzgruppen only (if Himmler made the statements at all):

Let us assume that Himmler really did make the comments attributed to him. Here is the key passage in question:

"I [Himmler] am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish people. This is something that is easily said: 'The Jewish people will be exterminated,' says every Party member, 'this is very obvious, it is in our program -- elimination of the Jews, extermination will do.'"

Himmler continued: "Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a descent person...has made us tough."

Herf writes that in this speech, "Himmler referred only to the early methods of the Einsatzgruppen murders and said nothing about the death camps, gas chambers, and crematoria [p.233]."

Herf is admitting that Himmler is referring only to the mass shootings of Jews that took place on the Eastern Front, and this speech says nothing at all about the alleged "death camps, gas chambers, and crematoria."


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9/11-investigator said:
I am perplexed... may I conclude that while you attack me you have no idea what position you are defending yourself?
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I'm not defending any position. I have no interest whatsoever in convincing you to give up your beliefs as that may lead to you ceasing to post your amusing geo-political fantasies, which, while not usually David Icke laugh-out-loud funny, are still highly entertaining. In fact, I will support any petition you may make to the mods to be allowed to make as many off-topic posts as you like.

Anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Auschwitz II.......1,400,000
Belzec..................600,000
Chelmno...............320,000
Jasenovac.............600,000
Majdanek.............360,000
Maly Trostinets.......65,000
Sobibór................250,000
Treblinka..............870,000

Total ca. 4,4M exterminated (well according to Zionist edited Wikipedia that is)

According to Wikipedia this is the position you have to defend.At least you now know what you have to do.

Good luck.
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Again, I don't feel obligated to defend any position selected by either you or Wikipedia. . . . .

Now, are you absolutely sure that these numbers refer to Jews who were GASSED, or do you think they may refer to total death tolls at those camps by all methods?
 
garethdjb said:
Now, are you absolutely sure that these numbers refer to Jews who were GASSED, or do you think they may refer to total death tolls at those camps by all methods?
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The only thing you can be absolutely sure of is that the numbers are pure phantasmagoria, without a shred of evidence to back them up. That's the way it works in the holohoax biz.
 
Saggy said:
The only thing you can be absolutely sure of is that the numbers are pure phantasmagoria, without a shred of evidence to back them up. That's the way it works in the holohoax biz.
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You mean like the complete lack of evidence to support your lies about the Dachau gas chamber?


Hypocrite much?
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