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Chávez - Load up the rubber bullets.

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Venezuela's Chavez urges tear gas against protests

CARACAS, Jan 17 (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez ordered police on Saturday to use tear gas on anti-government protests that block roads, heating up a campaign for a referendum that could allow him to run for re-election.

Venezuelans will vote next month on a proposed change to the constitution that would allow Chavez, a foe of the United States, to seek re-election when his term ends in four years.
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Like Bush, Chavez doesn't think much of protests.

"Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets" --10CC
 
I wonder if all the people who were screaming about "police bruitality" at the GOP convention in the Twin Cities will be equally angry about this. I am not holding my breath.
It is amazing how if you are a Socialist, some people will defend whatever you do.
 
dudalb said:
I wonder if all the people who were screaming about "police bruitality" at the GOP convention in the Twin Cities will be equally angry about this. I am not holding my breath.
It is amazing how if you are a Socialist, some people will defend whatever you do.
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Protests blocking roads can be quite serious in that area although I though it was more of a Bolivian thing. On the other hand it fits with the standard profile of Chavez haveing little respect for democracy.
 
Small groups of students in gas masks and wielding plastic shields protested the proposal this week. They threw stones at police, blocked a highway and were accused of setting fire to a national park. Chavez said police on his orders used tear gas to disperse the protest.
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what a police state :boggled:
 
When the whitehouse is spreading lies about Chavez supporters killing peacefull anti-chavez protesters. The outcry is loud.

When it then turns out, it was not Chavez supporters killing people but Opposition and US backed snipers that kill innocent civillians, pro and anti chavez. there is no outcry

when the Venezuelan government uses the very same tools like we do in most democracys to stop highway blockades, the outcry is starting to rise....

a few days after the opposition leaders met with the US embassy official John Caulfield, the unrests start...

but the US people dont care about other peoples will, theyrs counts, others can do as we do out of free will or get forced to......

Oil addict ignorant TV-nation
 
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Dictator Cheney said:
When the whitehouse is spreading lies about Chavez supporters killing peacefull anti-chavez protesters. The outcry is loud.

When it then turns out, it was not Chavez supporters killing people but Opposition and US backed snipers that kill innocent civillians, pro and anti chavez. there is no outcry

when the Venezuelan government uses the very same tools like we do in most democracys to stop highway blockades, the outcry is starting to rise....

a few days after the opposition leaders met with the US embassy official John Caulfield, the unrests start...

but the US people dont care about other peoples will, theyrs counts, others can do as we do out of free will or get forced to......

Oil addict ignorant TV-nation
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And vice versa. Sauce for the goose and all...
 
RandFan said:
And vice versa. Sauce for the goose and all...
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yeah in 20 year you will then say, i have no problems admiting my country did some bad things in South America......
propably while another elected president gets overthrown for your benefit...

you know full well what is going on atm.....
but you dont give a **** about it. you know it benefits you and your way of life.....
 
Dictator Cheney said:
yeah in 20 year you will then say, i have no problems admiting my country did some bad things in South America......
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Been there done that over and over and over and... well you get the idea.

propably while another elected president gets overthrown for your benefit...
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Mine personally? Wow. Dimes to donuts I don't even get a T-Shirt outa the deal.

you know full well what is going on atm.....
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shhhhh.... it's a secret...

but you dont give a **** about it. you know it benefits you and your way of life.....
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You have me confused with some other body and a chip on your shoulder.

In response to a thread you started with good information about Venezuela I said the following:

RandFan said:
I wish nothing but the best for the Venezuelan people. I'm happy to hear of any good news. If Chavez becomes the man of the decade or the century and Venezuela becomes a great nation with low poverty rates and high HDI ratings then I will be happy to salute Chavez and embrace his actions. In fact I'm happy now to give him credit for the improved conditions.
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Not everyone is your enemy and not everyone who disagrees with you is evil or bad as you would like to believe them to be.
 
tomwaits said:
LOL, these two avatars are hilarious and are also making me confused.
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:) Given that George Bush is daily called an a-hole by Americans like me and given that American TV, News, Cable shows, movies, etc. regularly and harshly critisize the American government the notion that we don't have free speech is beyond idiotic. In America, if a licence expires, you can be damn sure that the licence WILL be renewed. That's just us.

Now, that's not to say that the American government won't try to step on free speech. Damn straight they try and sadly curtail it with BS free speech zones but then you've got Chávez to remind us that things aren't as bad as they could be.

Sauce for the goose.
 
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RandFan said:
Damn straight they try and sadly curtail it with BS free speech zones but then you've got Chávez to remind us that things aren't as bad as they could be.

Sauce for the goose.
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I've still never heard how so-called "free speech zones" curtail freedom of speech. Can you enlightem me?
 
WildCat said:
I've still never heard how so-called "free speech zones" curtail freedom of speech. Can you enlightem me?
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It's arguable. I certainly think it does. I think it is weaselly. The idea behind the first Amendment is first and foremost the ability to criticize the government. There's clearly a line that can be crossed. If the government said that Americans were allowed to say anything so long it was in France then most of us would find that an infringement. Moving people to the basement of a small building in another city would be another extreme that most of us would probably agree is an infringement. How far away can the government insulate itself from the voice of the people without it being an infringement?
 
RandFan said:
It's arguable. I certainly think it does. I think it is weaselly. The idea behind the first Amendment is first and foremost the ability to criticize the government. There's clearly a line that can be crossed. If the government said that Americans were allowed to say anything so long it was in France then most of us would find that an infringement. Moving people to the basement of a small building in another city would be another extreme that most of us would probably agree is an infringement. How far away can the government insulate itself from the voice of the people without it being an infringement?
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None the examples you cited actually happened. Also, no one was ever stopped from saying anything in person, on the internet, over the air, in print, from his rooftop, etc.

You are allowed to say whatever you want, there is no Constitutional right to say it wherever (as in physical space) you want. Reasonable accomadations have to be made as far as security is concerned.

Incidentally, I don't agree with protestors blocking streets but I do think tear gas is going overboard unless an actual riot breaks out.
 
WildCat said:
None the examples you cited actually happened.
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I know they didn't happen. I'm trying to make a point.

Also, no one was ever stopped from saying anything in person, on the Internet, over the air, in print, from his rooftop, etc.
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Freedom in one area doesn't justify restrictions in another. Would the above be reason to stop protests all together?

You are allowed to say whatever you want, there is no Constitutional right to say it wherever (as in physical space) you want. Reasonable accomadations have to be made as far as security is concerned.
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I don't buy the excuse. I think it's nonsense. That's just my opinion though. If there were a real problem with security then that would be fine. However no one ever keeps the admirers in free speech zones.

Incidentally, I don't agree with protestors blocking streets but I do think tear gas is going overboard unless an actual riot breaks out.
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I only ask that folks like DC are consistent.
 
WildCat said:
Also, no one was ever stopped from saying anything in person, on the internet, over the air, in print, from his rooftop, etc.
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BTW: This was the same argument given by Chavez aplogists for not renewing the licence for the oppostion station.
 
RandFan said:
BTW: This was the same argument given by Chavez aplogists for not renewing the licence for the oppostion station.
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No, it's not. He took away an entire avenue (the airwaves) in which he could be criticized.
 
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