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SteveGrenard

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I was recently pointed to the following Wikipedia entry and found some fascinating allegations. When searching this forum Zapata could not be found so I assume this has never been discussed before .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation

and whether the events surrounding the formation, operation and activities of Zapata continue to have any relevance for current world affairs given the role of GHWBush in this entity. And
no, it's not the name of a Cheech & Chong movie .....
 
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SteveGrenard said:
I was recently pointed to the following Wikipedia entry and found some fascinating allegations. When searching this forum Zapata could not be found so I assume this has never been discussed before .....

and whether the events surrounding the formation, operation and activities of Zapata continue to have any relevance for current world affairs given the role of GHWBush in this entity.
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What else is there to say? It's all there. Who doesn't recall where they were when they heard Kennedy was shot? Bush was in Dallas and so was Nixon right before and of course so was Johnson. Three people who never would have been president if Kennedy didn't die were all there when he was killed. It would have changed everything. And if Poppy hadn't become President we wouldn't have the current fortunate son. So yeah I would say it's relevant.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
What else is there to say? It's all there. Who doesn't recall where they were when they heard Kennedy was shot? Bush was in Dallas and so was Nixon right before and of course so was Johnson. Three people who never would have been president if Kennedy didn't die were all there when he was killed. It would have changed everything. And if Poppy hadn't become President we wouldn't have the current fortunate son. So yeah I would say it's relevant.
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So your saying Bush had a role in the JFK assassination?
 
SteveGrenard said:
I was recently pointed to the following Wikipedia entry and found some fascinating allegations. When searching this forum Zapata could not be found so I assume this has never been discussed before .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation

and whether the events surrounding the formation, operation and activities of Zapata continue to have any relevance for current world affairs given the role of GHWBush in this entity. And
no, it's not the name of a Cheech & Chong movie .....
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What role does GHWBush play in current world affairs?
 
CFL asks:
What role does GHWBush play in current world affairs?
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Claus, you are being one dimensional. What you need here is a sense of history....

by David Malmo-Levine (20 Oct, 2004)
Four generations of war and drug war profiteers are at the heart of America's power structure.

PART ONE: THE DEATH MERCHANT AND THE NAZI BANKER

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." – George H W Bush, cited in the June 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3579.html
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See also this posting from Houston Craigslist:

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/709642171.html

You can probably make a case that it was Nazi influence that killed both John and Robert Kennedy. JFK was initially tough on Communist Cuba but was considered soft when he backed out of supporting the Bay of Pigs invasion. Both he and Bobby's support for civil rights in the U.S. could have been too much for the Nazis to bear. JFK also equivocated on another anti-communist effort, the Viet Nam conflict which was left to his survivor, Johnson, to prosecute and his successor, Nixon, to end, in failure. So the Nazis or Nazi influence and power conspired to kill JFK..?

Zapata had a contract with Kuwait. They also drilled off shore Cuba which is now being drilled by the Chinese. This must be giving GHW and GW apolexy. GW Bush the other day called for resumption of off shore drilling in the U.S. in response to the oil price crisis engineered by everything he has done so far. Resumption of off shore oil drilling could ressurect Zapata innovations in this field. They have since become Pennzoil, best known for supplying crankcase oil for automobiles. But daddy's brain child, Zapata, could rise again! Does that help answer your question?
 
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Are you

saying

the interlocking directorates and financial alliances brought up in the references provided are either (choose one):

1. fabricated/fantasy
2. a coincidence
3. real but of no bearing on events, current or otherwise

Are you saying that the history of Prescott Bush and the Bush dynasty is false as presented? Are you saying extreme white wingers, excuse me, right wingers, such
as the John Birch Society are a fantasy?

And while the possible tie-ins with the JFK asssination are no doubt intriguing to some, are you saying more importantly what we are enduring now in the Iraqui quagmire and the runaway oil prices has no relationship with the current occupant of the White House given his history? That he has not lied and manipulated the Iraqui war in order to

a. attain revenge against Saddem for threatning to assasinate his father
b. create instability in the oil market to drive up prices
c. create opportunities for war profiteers such as Haliburton and KBR
d. divert resources from Afghanistan because of its importance in the heroin
trade

ookay. I guess we can keep referencing personal ads then.
 
SteveGrenard said:
Are you

saying

the interlocking directorates and financial alliances brought up in the references provided are either (choose one):

1. fabricated/fantasy
2. a coincidence
3. real but of no bearing on events, current or otherwise
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Don't know who this was directed to since you didn't use the quote function but it is a combination of 1 and 3.
Are you saying that the history of Prescott Bush and the Bush dynasty is false as presented?
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Yes it is. Most if not all of the "conspiracy" surrounding the elder Bush is based of the book by proven idiot Webster Tarpley titled George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography.
Are you saying extreme white wingers, excuse me, right wingers, suchas the John Birch Society are a fantasy?
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Why are you bringing that into this discussion?
And while the possible tie-ins with the JFK asssination are no doubt intriguing to some, are you saying more importantly what we are enduring now in the Iraqui quagmire and the runaway oil prices has no relationship with the current occupant of the White House given his history? That he has not lied and manipulated the Iraqui war in order to

a. attain revenge against Saddem for threatning to assasinate his father
b. create instability in the oil market to drive up prices
c. create opportunities for war profiteers such as Haliburton and KBR
d. divert resources from Afghanistan because of its importance in the heroin
trade

ookay. I guess we can keep referencing personal ads then.
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Oh...you buy into the entire Webster Tarply/Michael Ruppert/DRG/Kevin Barrett/Dylan Avery/Alex Jones line of bs. Good to know who we are dealing with.
 
~enigma~ said:
Oh...you buy into the entire Webster Tarply/Michael Ruppert/DRG/Kevin Barrett/Dylan Avery/Alex Jones line of bs. Good to know who we are dealing with.
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Why not? Once, it was mediumship that was in vogue. Then, it was Muslim hating. Why not conspiracies?
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Yes I believe he was right there in Dallas.
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CptColumbo said:
If true, so what? Many people were in Dallas on 10/22/1963, IIRC it was and is a fairly large city. Are you saying they were all in on it?
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Gazpacho said:
I don't know what the population of Dallas was that year but it was probably in excess of half a million. What was GHWB's role in the assassination?
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According to the 1960 census, the population of the city was 679,684 (it is now 1.2 million).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Dallas,_Texas
http://www.census.gov/

ETA default is quicker than I. I blame my stubby fingers (its why I had to play the cello instead of violin).
 
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Don't know who this was directed to since you didn't use the quote function but it is a combination of 1 and 3.
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Thanks for your opinion. So it seems rather than choosing one you choose two which sorta contradict each other. The existence of the interlocking directorates mentioned in the quotes are a matter of record even if you think they either didn't exist or if they did were of no relevance.

Yes it is. Most if not all of the "conspiracy" surrounding the elder Bush is based of the book by proven idiot Webster Tarpley titled George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography.
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Don't know it.

Why are you bringing that into this discussion?Oh...you buy into the entire Webster Tarply/Michael Ruppert/DRG/Kevin Barrett/Dylan Avery/Alex Jones line of bs. Good to know who we are dealing with.
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Don't know any of these people or their opinions. Credulity is a two way street. You either place your full faith, trust and belief in Bush and Chaney and everything they have done or you place your belief or credulity in those who have crticicized them.

For people like yourself and others I suppose its a matter of ideology. They say their leaders can do no harm, have done no harm and stand by them no matter how badly they are hurt by them or how corrupt they are. We have seen this with Mayor Curly in Boston who ran the city from his jail cell with the help of such supporters. And we've seen it with Mayor Daly Sr in Chicago and I supppose elsewhere, I suppose wherever corrupt politicians have a following or are tolerated.

It's your constitutional right to get shafted if that's what you want.
 
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SteveGrenard said:
Thanks for your opinion. So it seems rather than choosing one you choose two which sorta contradict each other. The existence of the interlocking directorates mentioned in the quotes are a matter of record even if you think they either didn't exist or if they did were of no relevance.



Don't know it.



Don't know any of these people or their opinions. Credulity is a two way street. You either place your full faith, trust and belief in Bush and Chaney and everything they have done or you place your belief or credulity in those who have crticicized them.

For people like yourself and others I suppose its a matter of ideology. They say their leaders can do no harm, have done no harm and stand by them no matter how badly they are hurt by them or how corrupt they are. We have seen this with Mayor Curly in Boston who ran the city from his jail cell with the help of such supporters. And we've seen it with Mayor Daly Sr in Chicago and I supppose elsewhere, I suppose whever corrupt politicians have a following. It's your constitutional right to get shafted if that's what you want.
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Huh...you just flew off the deep end..
 

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You make the worst debating mistake of all by attacking the speaker rather than the argument.

Congratulations you have joined the CF Larsen Club!
 
Nuts. I thought, from the title, this was going to be a discussion of the Mexican revolution of the early part of the 20th century, or even of -- do I remember this right? -- Marlon Brando's rendition of a Mexican Indian revolutionary.

Instead it is some horse pucky blaming the Bush family for the world's ills.

I think Jeb, Neil, and W. were playing with their pop guns on 22d November and whoops, well, you know the rest.
 
SDC said:
Nuts. I thought, from the title, this was going to be a discussion of the Mexican revolution of the early part of the 20th century, or even of -- do I remember this right? -- Marlon Brando's rendition of a Mexican Indian revolutionary.

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That's Mexican Indian slimeball murdering thug. But, yeah, that's what I also assumed.
 
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