Trump's Second Term

Segnosaur said:
Ummm... did you read the rest of my post or did you stop at that point?

I explained exactly why it was relevant that 4/5s of the potential audience could not speak spanish... because they consider lyrics important to the musical experience, because it means that any 'messaging' provided by his songs get lost for most viewers.
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Yes, I did, and I also added more content. Please, read it again:

I suspect that more people enjoyed the music rather than the lyrics, but that's just my opinion.

Your mileage may vary of course.
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Plus, Andy Ross added this comment:

The last opera I watched was in Italian.
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Andy_Ross said:
Secondly I (and I suspect there are others) actually consider the lyrics to be a significant component of the musical experience. Yes, lots of people will still enjoy the performance for the rhythm, the stage presentation, etc. but for those of us who attach some importance to the lyrics, we are missing out.
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The last opera I watched was in Italian.
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And?

I never said "everyone" has to understand the lyrics. Many people will be happy with just seeing the stage show, or enjoying it for its rhythms. But that is not a universal experience, and as I said, any message he wanted to give during his performance just gets lost.

So you like Italian operas. So you consider the abilities of the singer to far outweigh whatever the lyrics are. But not everyone feels the same way. (Or, alternatively, you were ok watching it in Italian because you knew the meaning of the opera ahead of time, but I doubt the millions of people watching the super bowl would have spent the time being equally educated about what Bad Bunny was gong to be performing.)
 
Segnosaur said:
And?

I never said "everyone" has to understand the lyrics. Many people will be happy with just seeing the stage show, or enjoying it for its rhythms. But that is not a universal experience, and as I said, any message he wanted to give during his performance just gets lost.

So you like Italian operas. So you consider the abilities of the singer to far outweigh whatever the lyrics are. But not everyone feels the same way. (Or, alternatively, you were ok watching it in Italian because you knew the meaning of the opera ahead of time, but I doubt the millions of people watching the super bowl would have spent the time being equally educated about what Bad Bunny was gong to be performing.)
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What about folks who don't understand English? Do we caption it for them too, or do we just ignore them.

They call it music for a reason, and not a speech, but like I said, this is just my opinion, and of course, you know the rest.
 
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Segnosaur said:
And?

I never said "everyone" has to understand the lyrics. Many people will be happy with just seeing the stage show, or enjoying it for its rhythms. But that is not a universal experience, and as I said, any message he wanted to give during his performance just gets lost.

So you like Italian operas. So you consider the abilities of the singer to far outweigh whatever the lyrics are. But not everyone feels the same way. (Or, alternatively, you were ok watching it in Italian because you knew the meaning of the opera ahead of time, but I doubt the millions of people watching the super bowl would have spent the time being equally educated about what Bad Bunny was gong to be performing.)
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IOW, I think most people enjoy music without knowing the lyrics.

Also, most people dance to the music and not the lyrics.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
James Woods
@RealJamesWoods
America is reborn. Less than two years ago we had a basket case at the helm and a blithering idiot a heartbeat away from the nuclear button. Now we have a man of peace reshaping an “America First” world with quiet power
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Does this idiot really believe that bull ◊◊◊◊?
 
Segnosaur said:
Well first of all, according to google, only around 18-20% of the US population speaks spanish. That means roughly 4/5ths of the audience did not know what he was singing.

Secondly I (and I suspect there are others) actually consider the lyrics to be a significant component of the musical experience. Yes, lots of people will still enjoy the performance for the rhythm, the stage presentation, etc. but for those of us who attach some importance to the lyrics, we are missing out.

So, Bad Bunny has people waving a bunch of flags. Is that referenced in the lyrics if the song? Is it significant? Was there other parts of the song that we might have found significant or profound, or was it vapid and empty like a typical boy-band song? We certainly would not have known from watching the performance.
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I agree. Perhaps TP could have subtitled Kid Rock too. Might have to redact some lyrics though, like that whole 'statutary', 'predatory', 'manditory' bit. It could have been a musical tribute to the Epstein Files.
 
Returning to the halftime show, the wedding scene was a real wedding:

That wedding during Bad Bunny's halftime show? It was real

Bad Bunny helped one couple tie the knot in a very special way: during his Super Bowl halftime show.

The man and the woman, who appeared on the field during the show in a white tuxedo and wedding gown, actually got married during Bad Bunny’s performance Sunday, his representative said in a news release.

The duo, who were not named in the release, had sent the Puerto Rican musical sensation an invitation to their wedding but ended up getting a halftime show invitation, instead.

They were married live, with Bad Bunny signing the marriage certificate and a wedding cake being provided, "turning the moment into a joyful celebrating unfolding in real time," the news release said.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/2020672032384438635
 
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AmyStrange said:
Ummm... did you read the rest of my post or did you stop at that point?

I explained exactly why it was relevant that 4/5s of the potential audience could not speak spanish... because they consider lyrics important to the musical experience, because it means that any 'messaging' provided by his songs get lost for most viewers.
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Yes, I did, and I also added more content. Please, read it again:
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Yes you did. Looks like it was added after I started my post.
I suspect that more people enjoyed the music rather than the lyrics, but that's just my opinion.

Your mileage may vary of course.
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I am sure there are people who just enjoyed the performance for the music/performance/etc. But not everyone feels that way.

Plus, if they add subtitles, how exactly does that take away from the music? It would not have required him to change his performance. It would not have changed the audio. It wouldn't even have taken up much of the screen.

And, as I mentioned, even if someone was able to enjoy the performance as-is without knowing the lyrics, he still lost the opportunity to convey any messages to a wide audience. During his performance he did stuff that SEEMED important (like the people on the utility poles, people carrying flags, etc.) He might have been making an important point about something, but I'll never know.
What about folks who don't understand English? Do we caption it for them too, or do we just ignore them.
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Ummm... 4/5ths of the audience probably speak english. It was broadcast on an english language channel. I think taking into account what affects 4/5ths of the audience should be enough.
They call it music for a reason, and not a speech, but like I said, this is just my opinion, and of course, you know the rest.
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There are many components that go into "music"... melody, rhythm, lyrics, possibly even stage performance. Different people put different emphasis on different components. A person might not be wrong if they only care about the melody or lyrics, but a person also isn't wrong if they consider lyrics to have some importance too.
 
Segnosaur said:
Yes you did. Looks like it was added after I started my post.

I am sure there are people who just enjoyed the performance for the music/performance/etc. But not everyone feels that way.

Plus, if they add subtitles, how exactly does that take away from the music? It would not have required him to change his performance. It would not have changed the audio. It wouldn't even have taken up much of the screen.

And, as I mentioned, even if someone was able to enjoy the performance as-is without knowing the lyrics, he still lost the opportunity to convey any messages to a wide audience. During his performance he did stuff that SEEMED important (like the people on the utility poles, people carrying flags, etc.) He might have been making an important point about something, but I'll never know.

Ummm... 4/5ths of the audience probably speak english. It was broadcast on an english language channel. I think taking into account what affects 4/5ths of the audience should be enough.

There are many components that go into "music"... melody, rhythm, lyrics, possibly even stage performance. Different people put different emphasis on different components. A person might not be wrong if they only care about the melody or lyrics, but a person also isn't wrong if they consider lyrics to have some importance too.
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Well then, send the NFL and NBC an e-mail. I'm sure they'll take your complaints seriously.
 
Segnosaur said:
Yes you did. Looks like it was added after I started my post.
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You're right, and I apologize.

By the way, how many people go to a concert because of the lyrics, and should they caption those too?

Hell, half the lyrics I hear at a concert, I don't understand a word of it, but then again, I'm not there for that.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I agree. Perhaps TP could have subtitled Kid Rock too. Might have to redact some lyrics though, like that whole 'statutary', 'predatory', 'manditory' bit. It could have been a musical tribute to the Epstein Files.
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Yeah, it's interesting that no one complains that there weren't any captions there either.
 
Monty Green probably has a thing or two to say about the lyrics.

I've loved Kate Bush's Wuthering Heights for nearly 50 years and couldn't tell you what 99% of the lyrics are.
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And things get real when China's going to cancel ice hockey in Canada - they should seek the protection of being 51st state straight away.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Peter Navarro: "The jobs report comes out tomorrow. We have to revise our expectations down significantly for what a monthly job number should look like ... Wall Street has to adjust for the fact that we're deporting millions of illegals out of the job market."
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I wonder what number counts as "significantly". Pete may intend to deport "millions" but how many workers have been, or are currently in the process of being, deported?

The number of employed people should be down, by the number of foreign workers deported, minus the number of unemployed Americans who took up their vacant jobs.

The percentage of employed people ought to be slightly up unless the people deported had a significantly above-average employment rate.
 
The biggest "tell all" of trumps rant is China will take all the good of Canada leaving his regime with the leftovers.

He doesn't believe Canada and PM Carney can manage their affairs well if at all. Without his leadership and control it's doomed.
The opposite is true of course but what does he care if he can't profit off of it?

The negotiations went well. PM Carney gave nothing. Intimidation hasn't worked yet again.
He won't even get the leftovers, maybe the floor sweepings.

🇨🇦 Canadians, stand firm on everything. 🇨🇦
Mexico 🇲🇽 is doing the same.

They call him TACO for a reason.
China finally agreed to buy some soy beans but a distinct lack of detail on quantity and price they will pay. No doubt both much less than before this regime. All they had to do was wait as Nebraska farm auctions increased.

The internal pressure will break him. It's sad that good, regular US citizens will suffer too but it's on them to get rid of this cancer as fast as possible.
 
Bezos now has to decide on the image of Amazon and Washington Post. He will likely have to make some slight divorce from supporting Trump. Otherwise his Amazon business will suffer the last 3 years of the Trump-Vance presidency.

Easiest thing is to sell the WP, as it will be worth nothing by 2029.
 
dirtywick said:
there's been alternative super bowl shows before. none of them felt so forced tho
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And the reason given for this alternative super bowl was complete nonsense for anyone with a functional brain. But then again when the real reason is blatantly racist and political I guess they just have to make up something even if it's obvious ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. 1/3 of the population is too dumb to notice or too racist to care.
 
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