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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

arthwollipot said:
They do.
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No, they don't. Their claim is that ISRAEL itself must be made devoid of Jews, because it's ALL Arab Land.

arthwollipot said:
I've said before that I don't like to use Instagram as evidence, especially when they're subtitled in English, but I've seen dozens of posts from Palestinians saying that they won't leave their homes.
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And half of the population of Gaza has the will to leave, when provided an opportunity.
Palestinians in Gaza are terrified to speak honestly about HAMAS -- for obvious reasons.
So, we're left with Instagrammers making it seem they love Gaza so much.
Not credible, I would venture to say.

arthwollipot said:
Which countries would you suggest? We know that Egypt isn't going to take them. What country, please, is going to accept a mass exodus of millions of poor Palestinians?
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Egypt is going to 'take' them -- what choice will they have when that Rafah border is opened? Shoot them in cold blood as they surge across?
(See: January 2008)

Maybe Somaliland is a possible destination?
Also, Indonesia.
Perhaps Libya.
The exit doesn't have to be all to just one place.

I hear that Tulsa is nice.
www.jpost.com

Jewish Canadians relocate to Oklahoma with Lech L'Tulsa | The Jerusalem Post

The program will provide immigration lawyer support, including a free consultation and discounted services, to assist prospective individuals and families throughout the relocation process.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
 
webfusion said:
Egypt is going to 'take' them -- what choice will they have when that Rafah border is opened? Shoot them in cold blood as they surge across?(See: January 2008)

Maybe Somaliland is a possible destination?
Also, Indonesia.
Perhaps Libya.
The exit doesn't have to be all to just one place.

I hear that Tulsa is nice.
www.jpost.com

Jewish Canadians relocate to Oklahoma with Lech L'Tulsa | The Jerusalem Post

The program will provide immigration lawyer support, including a free consultation and discounted services, to assist prospective individuals and families throughout the relocation process.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
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You mean like the IDF has been doing?
 
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Trausti said:
Heh, forget about a million, their co-ethnics and co-religionist won't even take one. Imagine having that bad of a reputation. I'm not advocating that they leave. No, please stay. Spare the world.
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How many refugees has Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Turkey taken? I think you will find that 'Islamic' countries have taken far more refugees than 'Christian' countries.
 
NatalieSalat said:
AJ is effectly the state media arm of Quatar, a de facto client state of the nutty clerics in Tehran.
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I note you are silent about Israel planting bombs to terrorise Jewish citizens of Arab countries into migrating to Israel using the false flag that Islamic anti semitic extremists planted the bombs.
 
Once again, I am confirmed that my Plague On Both Your Houses attitude is just about the only intelligent response to this mess.
 
Planigale said:
I note you are silent about Israel planting bombs to terrorise Jewish citizens of Arab countries into migrating to Israel using the false flag that Islamic anti semitic extremists planted the bombs.
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Given that the surrounding countries want to destroy yours, shoring up your numbers seems reasonable. Unjustified methods but an indication of desperation - as with Benadotte.
 
arthwollipot said:
The only people doing good there are the charities, and most of them have just been banned.
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At what point will you stop fabricating & prevaricating & obfuscating?

The 24 organizations on the authorized-to-operate list account for 99% of the total aid volume into Gaza.​


www.jpost.com

Israel claims MSF maintained ties to terror groups | The Jerusalem Post

The well-known medical organization is one of several dozen NGOs prohibited from operating in Gaza and the West Bank since January 1.
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Yeah, Israel is lying about that. You know how I can tell? Israel says that Médecins Sans Frontières was allied with Hamas. It's the exact excuse they use whenever they murder journalists.

Does the Jerusalem Post ever mention the Flour Massacre? Didn't think so.
 
The Jerusalem POST indeed mentioned and covered the story. Why would you 'think' otherwise?
Your own link provides the J-P as a source multiple times (bylines: Yonah Jeremy-Bob and Danielle Greyman-Kennard)

And? People are stressed in Gaza. Tens of thousands are dead. HAMAS is struggling to survive (and still refusing to release the body of Ran Gvir), while your claim that 'nobody' is going to take in Gazans fleeing their strife isn't borne by reports. Especially interesting is Egyptian Presidential Decree No. 736.
Yep, Egypt is building the infrastructure for a Gaza population surge into Sinai because it knows they no longer can keep them out.
www.israelnationalnews.com

The Walls Come Down: How Cairo is quietly building the "Sinai Option"

Reports indicate that the Netanyahu government, emboldened by the incoming Trump administration, is preparing to unilaterally facilitate the exit of Gazans. Egypt is preparing for the overflow. Opinion.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com

The question is no longer if the Palestinian Arabs will move into Sinai, but when it'll happen.
Israel’s determination to disarm HAMAS “is absolute.” (Chief of Staff Zamir)
www.jpost.com

Katz orders IDF to prepare for renewed fighting in Gaza | The Jerusalem Post

Defense Minister Israel Katz told the IDF to prepare for renewed fighting in Gaza as talks stall and Hamas refuses to disarm.
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Planigale said:
You mean like the IDF has been doing? (reference: Egypt shooting to stop hordes surging across the 1982 Rafah lines into historically-Palestinian lands in Sinai)
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www.israelnationalnews.com

Trump warns: 'If Iran shoots protesters, the US will come to their rescue'

US President issues dramatic warning to Iran over the ongoing protests against the regime.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com

I'm wondering if Trump will intervene on behalf of Palestinians when they start to move into Sinai, as the war resumes.
Yes, the Gaza war isn't over. Not by a longshot.

Fascinating article about how to transform debris into building materials.
Will Arabs in Gaza adopt Israeli tech to help themselves? Or are they going to boycott advantageous Jewish ventures while proceeding to allow their fanatic and violent 'leadership' to leave them suffering in the ashes of the rubble?
 


Came across this completely at random.

Warms your heart. Tells you not everyone there is an Allah worshiping or Yahweh worshiping psycho. Or at least, regardless of if they do indulge in Allah worship and Yahweh worship, tells you that not everyone touched by that unholy land is a murderous psychotic POS. Tells you there's hope for the world still.
 
www.theguardian.com

Tents supplied to displaced Palestinians ‘inadequate for Gaza winter’

Thousands have blown down in storms and tents from China, Egypt and Saudi Arabia found to be not waterproof
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

“The tent we live in is worn out and rainwater leaks inside,” said Linda Abu Halima, 30, who was living in the coastal zone of Mawasi after her home in Beit Lahiya, northern Gaza, was destroyed. “We received it through the help of someone; it is handmade from wood and tarpaulin. We cannot buy a new tent due to the high prices, and we have not received any aid at all.”
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Chanakya, that video is not an outlier. Most Israelis are comfortable with each other, regardless of their backgrounds.
In the so-called 'settlements' (Ariel, for instance) you'll find Israelis and Palestinians working, studying, playing, singing, hugging, speaking of peace.
When Jews were living and working in Gaza, they got along quite well with their Arab neighbors, I personally remember those days. (1970's- 1980's)

It'll be like that again, but not for another generation or so.
The indoctrination and violent aims of HAMAS have taken hold strongly, and that requires a special treatment to de-program the minds of their youth. (Iran's people in their millions, who are fed-up with radical Islamic fundamentalist nutbars, are providing a template, it would appear).

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IDF's new "Thunderous" howitzers are being deployed and guess where they'll likely be used first? Gaza, my guess.
A strategic 'walking artillery barrage' is all it would take to scatter HAMAS out of the strip, south into Sinai.

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I'm sending a new tent (purchased from WalMart) to Miss Linda abu-Halima in Gaza.
I hope that HAMAS postal operations can locate her address --- I wrote "Mawasi, GazaPalestine" on the package.
 
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webfusion said:
Chanakya, that video is not an outlier. Most Israelis are comfortable with each other, regardless of their backgrounds.
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I'd have expected no less. Most people, in my experience, are possessed of empathy. Which is why the lack of such on here, when it comes to "them" as opposed to when it is about "you", not from just one or two outlier psychos and edgelords but most all, came initially as a surprise, that one had difficulty wrapping one's head around, and after that became deeply disgusting.

webfusion said:
The indoctrination and violent aims of HAMAS have taken hold strongly, and that requires a special treatment to de-program the minds of their youth.
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Likewise the indoctrination and violent aims of so many by the criminal --- the war criminal, as well as Trump-esque petty crook ---- Netanyahu, and other vile right-leaning psychos among your top leadership.

I'm glad you had this camaraderie earlier, but it isn't fellow-feeling to butcher and reduce to hell the lives of your fellows. And only a madman would expect your victims to bear you goodwill in return for this hell.

Hamas, yes, sure, absolutely. But the monster Netanyahu, and his enablers, no less.

webfusion said:
I'm sending a new tent (purchased from WalMart) to Miss Linda abu-Halima in Gaza.
I hope that HAMAS postal operations can locate her address --- I wrote "Mawasi, GazaPalestine" on the package.
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How very nice, that you should reach out personally to help your Palestinian countrymen in their suffering. (y) That gesture warms the heart, as well, and gives one hope that the future might not necessarily be all bleak.

Wish you a happy new year, Webfusion. Despite everything, hopefully maybe peace again. Disagreements notwithstanding, here's reaching out to you in empathy, for what that is worth. None of us that haven't lived through this hell --- on either side of this divide in your country --- can really appreciate what that is actually like.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah, Israel is lying about that. You know how I can tell? Israel says that Médecins Sans Frontières was allied with Hamas. It's the exact excuse they use whenever they murder journalists.

Does the Jerusalem Post ever mention the Flour Massacre? Didn't think so.
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All you've done is make the burden of proof even higher, AND used Guilt By Association.

You're also cherry picking something and assuming they didn't report on it.

And as usual, when Webfusion proves you wrong (via your own source), you quietly drop the subject and try a fringe "Israel Bad!" reset and ignore the counterpoint.

Chanakya said:
I'm glad you had this camaraderie earlier, but it isn't fellow-feeling to butcher and reduce to hell the lives of your fellows. And only a madman would expect your victims to bear you goodwill in return for this hell.
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You do remember the casus belli of this war, right? Which came after decades of similar, if less deadly, attacks?
 
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