Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[dirtywick]

Which is what?

spending several dozen pages redefining the word barely to mean something it does not, presenting it as if it’s a legal concept when it’s just a tag on a porn site search engine.

you think a 33 year old woman putting on a plaid skirt and a white button up and putting their hair in pigtails is child porn, and moral grandstand anyone who doesn’t agree. it’s an absurd argument all around.

 

[Poem]

Again go and check the primary legislation, all depictions of under 18 year olds in pornography - regardless of the actual age of the participants - are classed the same in law.

I asked for an example of someone in the UK being charged with making or consuming porn that features adults made to look underage. You haven't provided any (though I am assuming your other citations are of the same sort as the first - actual children).

 

[Darat]

Gabby Bertin and the UK porn taskforce are all ignorant as well? The Children's Commissioner etc etc?

Are you Gabby Bertin? Or a Member of the UK porn taskforce? Or the Children's Commissioner? If not then what I say about you may not apply to other people. My comments were about your lack of understanding.

 

[Poem]

spending several dozen pages redefining the word barely to mean something it does not, presenting it as if it’s a legal concept when it’s just a tag on a porn site search engine.

What I have been stating is that porn which features legal actors made to look underage is illegal on DVD and Blu ray in the UK and the government are determined to make it illegal online.

you think a 33 year old woman putting on a plaid skirt and a white button up and putting their hair in pigtails is child porn, and moral grandstand anyone who doesn’t agree. it’s an absurd argument all around.

I am not the only one who thinks over 18s acting like children in porn is abhorrent:

The current situation is that the porn that was described in your quotation is illegal, it is prosecuted when cases can be made, people go to prison. I can't think how clearer as a society we can be that we find such porn not only wrong but abhorrent.

I wouldn't know as I would never even attempt to view any porn that I even thought might hint at having "under 18" content, whether by appearance or by performer. I would STRONGLY urge anyone in the UK in this discussion to not to try and research that at all. It is a serious criminal offence to view such material, and even viewing one frame could end up with you being in prison, fined and on the sex offenders register.

 

[Poem]

Are you Gabby Bertin? Or a Member of the UK porn taskforce? Or the Children's Commissioner? If not then what I say about you may not apply to other people. My comments were about your lack of understanding.

Have already linked to that Guardian article when we discussed this before. Here's Bertin:

Lady Bertin said she planned to lodge amendments to the crime and policing bill in the autumn to make it illegal for online platforms to host any content that could encourage child sexual abuse, including pornography filmed by adults dressed as children. “This content is pushing at the boundaries. We will be trying to address the ‘barely legal’ aspect legislatively,” she said.

You appear to have forgotten this.

 

[Darat]

I asked for an example of someone in the UK being charged with making or consuming porn that features adults made to look underage. You haven't provided any (though I am assuming your other citations are of the same sort as the first - actual children).

You again show you don't understand the law; by law any such prosecution would be prosecuted as having or producing images of children, that is the legal definition. The law makes no distinction. Go back and read the actual legislation.

 

[acbytesla]

Apparently, Poem doesn't understand what the word "barely" means.

I was "barely legal" to have a celebratory drink on my 21st birthday. You might say I was barely legal to drink that entire year. But I was always legal to drink. Always.

Someone who looks 13, but is actually 18, is legal to perform in a porn video. They are barely legal. Whereas someone who is 17, but looks like they are 30, is barely illegal. "Barely" changes nothing.

I don't care about barely. They're legal. It's legal. And porn will always be around.

 

[dirtywick]

What I have been stating is that porn which features legal actors made to look underage is illegal on DVD and Blu ray in the UK and the government are determined to make it illegal online.

you’ve been saying a lot of things

I am not the only one who thinks over 18s acting like children in porn is abhorrent:

you’re free to be grossed out by it. that doesn’t mean a lot.

 

[Poem]

you’ve been saying a lot of things



you’re free to be grossed out by it. that doesn’t mean a lot.

A pretty empty post.
You were wrong that I misunderstood.

 

[dirtywick]

poem i know you like jesus and all that, and in a world where it’s true that he’s the guy who made all these middle aged men destined to be attracted to young women, having an adult women put her hair in pigtails to give them something to wack off to sounds like a best case scenario for everyone.

i’m not saying that’s necessarily what i think, but i’ll float that by you.

 

[Poem]

Apparently, Poem doesn't understand what the word "barely" means.

I was "barely legal" to have a celebratory drink on my 21st birthday. You might say I was barely legal to drink that entire year. But I was always legal to drink. Always.

Someone who looks 13, but is actually 18, is legal to perform in a porn video. They are barely legal. Whereas someone who is 17, but looks like they are 30, is barely illegal. "Barely" changes nothing.

I don't care about barely. They're legal. It's legal. And porn will always be around.

According to a self-confessed desensitised porn consumer.

Are you frightened of arguing with Darat describing this porn as abhorrent? And with the UK government that is determined to make this stuff illegal online?

 

[dirtywick]

A pretty empty post.
You were wrong that I misunderstood.

you’ve been repeating yourself for months. what else is left to say

 

[Poem]

poem i know you like jesus

You do. Citation?

and all that, and in a world where it’s true that he’s the guy who made all these middle aged men destined to be attracted to young women,

He did?

having an adult women put her hair in pigtails to give them something to wack off to sounds like a best case scenario for everyone.

?

i’m not saying that’s necessarily what i think, but i’ll float that by you.

Well, it was a waste of time.

 

[dirtywick]

lol you need a nap

 

[acbytesla]

According to a self-confessed desensitised porn consumer.

Are you frightened of arguing with Darat describing this porn as abhorrent? And with the UK government that is determined to make this stuff illegal online?

Darat is entitled to his opinion. He doesn't like it. So what?

I also believe you're strawmanning Darat.

 

[Darat]

Apparently, Poem doesn't understand what the word "barely" means.

I was "barely legal" to have a celebratory drink on my 21st birthday. You might say I was barely legal to drink that entire year. But I was always legal to drink. Always.

Someone who looks 13, but is actually 18, is legal to perform in a porn video. They are barely legal. Whereas someone who is 17, but looks like they are 30, is barely illegal. "Barely" changes nothing.

I don't care about barely. They're legal. It's legal. And porn will always be around.

That would be an issue in the UK. Any porn that appears to depict anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in the UK, the actual age of the performer doesn't matter.

 

[Joe Random]

<...> self-confessed desensitised porn consumer <...>

Band name.

 

[acbytesla]

That would be an issue in the UK. Any porn that appears to depict anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in the UK, the actual age of the performer doesn't matter.

Well, that law is crap. Too subjective. What age they appear to be to one person may not be what they appear to be to someone else. That is a loophole they can drive a truck through. My significant other was actually older than me and yet many other people thought she was significantly younger. But it is wrong to deny her rights based on appearance.

 

[Darat]

Well, that law is crap. Too subjective. What age they appear to be to one person may not be what they appear to be to someone else. That is a loophole they can drive a truck through. My significant other was actually older than me and yet many other people thought she was significantly younger. But it is wrong to deny her rights based on appearance.

I strongly disagree, I think it's a good law as it helps create a more distinct boundary between legal and illegal in an area where that is very important. There is no good reason for making pornography for adults that blurs the line between pornography and child abuse. And it only works one way - there is nothing illegal for instance if you want to make pornography that features an 18 year old and a seventy year old.

 

[Lithrael]

Agreeing again that I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to crack down on porn that would make me click away going 'yikes' as opposed to clicking away going 'wow they are going to be carded till they're forty.'

Asserting again that the oft cited Bonnie Blue 'classroom' orgy didn't have anyone in it that I would genuinely suspect was underage, and also asserting again that it's not unusual to find 18+ year olds in school uniforms, nevermind school uniform costumes, so it's hard for me to grasp the SCANDAL!! aspect there. By itself, it just doesn't imply underage.

I do think it's a bit gross if it's true they weren't paid.