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Am I the same entity or person from the moment I was born?

As I an not part of any "professional mental health body" I have no idea of how they define things. Or if they do.
But I see millions of regular kids on meds for anxiety or adhd and obviously off kilter folks with odd habits getting assistance to make society conform to them, rather than help them integrate into society better.

I can't guess just where the hell they define things. But "follow the money" might be a start.

My dad was unable to participate in society. He was dependent on it but still above it because of his odd ideas disguised as superior knowledge. Jim Jones without a cult following. Even his chosen cult only kept him for the 10% tithe he paid. I heard it from a few of them personally.
In his late years dementia set in to feed the beast in his head.
You define the state of his mind.
 
Religion is considered more of a shared social tradition and a system of meaning than a delusional assertion of fact. Extreme beliefs (including religious beliefs) become mental illnesses as we diagnose them today only when they start to have detrimental effects on a person's relationships, occupation, family, etc. So yes, it's a mental illness at some point, but not every expression of religion is that far.
 
JayUtah said:
Religion is considered more of a shared social tradition and a system of meaning than a delusional assertion of fact. Extreme beliefs (including religious beliefs) become mental illnesses as we diagnose them today only when they start to have detrimental effects on a person's relationships, occupation, family, etc. So yes, it's a mental illness at some point, but not every expression of religion is that far.
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Specifically, religion can form a framework around which a delusional or psychotic disorder can present itself, but it is not itself a disorder. Someone who claims that they are God may be diagnosed with a delusional disorder, but they will not be diagnosed with religion.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
You haven't read my writing carefully. God can create again. In contrast, the teleportation technology in the Star Trek universe, i.e., the meat grinder, cannot do this.
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You are aware that Star Trek is fiction, right? It's a made up story. In that way it is very similar to Islam, or any other religion. They differ, however, because the primary purpose of Star Trek is entertainment, whereas the primary purpose of Islam, or any other religion, is control.

Star Trek fans don't, on the whole, believe it is a a divinely revealed truth that they are required to follow on pain of eternal suffering. Mostly.
 
Much like Elvis and Perry Como the fans slowly die off but the legacy remains known. Star Trek and other pop icons will die with us.

Islam and other religions continue to stay on a front burner but in subtly different forms than a generation before knew it.
If a person of that faith could be brought back from 4 generations earlier to see what it had become they wouldn't be pleased.
 
I've used the term myself, but delusion probably isn't accurate. It's more like self-deception.
 
I had a friend that had personal discussions with God about things.
He told very few people, it didn't affect his relation with society and nobody felt he needed any help or treatment.
I certainly didn't believe him or his story but I let him have his belief.

He wasn't remotely religious in any other way. It was just some foibles his friends ignored quietly.
He had other dangerous illegal habits that could possibly account for extraordinary "experiences".
He would never accept any treatment for
that.
 
Scorpion said:
Can you imagine what it its like to 'KNOW' there is a spirit world, and have psychiatrists treat you as insane for believing it?
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There's a difference between believing something for which there is no objective evidence, and claiming to KNOW it when there is no possible way to do so. The latter is something which, in combination with other indications, may suggest legitimate grounds for concern.
 
Scorpion said:
Can you imagine what it its like to 'KNOW' there is a spirit world...
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But you don't know it in the same way other things are known. You can't know it in the same way other things are known. And as we have discussed your personal spiritual beliefs and have asked you questions about them, it became readily apparent that the "spirit world" is not something you actually know about. You just make it up as you go, or have been told about it by people you have simply decided to trust without any good reason. And at a certain point you admitted being unable to know certain important elements of your belief system.

That shifts the discussion into why a person would claim he knows something when he clearly has nothing more than a vague belief. And that might interest a psychiatrist.

Scorpion said:
...and have psychiatrists treat you as insane for believing it?
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You're a special case in that you have disclosed that you suffer from schizophrenia that was a diagnosed but only incompletely treated. As is common in schizophrenia, you have developed animosity toward psychiatry and psychology.

Psychiatrists will generally not attempt to treat anything that hasn't become a problem for you or others. In your case, the various beliefs arising from your infirmity were indeed causing problems for others because you tried to hold them responsible for what you believed they were doing to you. When that's the case, it largely doesn't matter what the belief is or where it came from. One can express "knowledge" of the spirit world (benevolent or atagonistic), a belief that aliens are controlling you via fluorescent light fixtures, or an uncommon devotion to traditional religion. But as long as these beliefs don't translate into operative difficulty for oneself or others, there isn't necessarily a need for treatment.
 
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