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The behaviour of UK police officers.

I don't know. I don't do Facebook. As I said, that was the story as I gathered it. There may be more to come on it.
 
I'd want a reliable source before I accepted anything from "Hotep Jesus" as true.
 
Rolfe said:
As far as I can make out, this woman was organising some sort of protest at a hotel housing migrants, on Facebook. The police trawled her Facebook page until they found a post (to her family) they could characterise as a hate crime. When they showed up to her house she was out. (At a hospital appointment with her severely disabled daughter.) A neighbour told the police that. They didn't go away. After some little time, when she was only ten minutes from getting home - which they had apparently been told - they got a carpenter to break into her house.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967952055424913870

Once upon a time I would have thought, there must be more to it than that. Not any more, this is happening on a regular basis.
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Women need to be allowed to incite violence at any and all times clearly.
 
At a protest in Newcastle, a police officer is filmed taking a Union Flag off a female teenager and another police officer is seen to usher her away from where she is standing. It is clear she is protesting outwith the area where the other protestors are, so it looks like the police are preventing her from protesting in that area. That is normal for any protest, it is given an area and those protestors must be in that area.

If you read about the incident on X, or news articles, you do not get any of that information. Instead, everyone is using the incident for clickbait.


That so many journalists and social media commentators, are using this incident, as clickbait, to sow discord, is bad for society. I do think that the police officer who grabs the flag and walks away, leaving the other police officer to remove the teenager, acting poorly. But, in the heat of a protest, mistakes will be made. I would not be surprised, as the officer is in light blue and he is acting as a liaison, he had had contact with the teenager, he had told her not to protest in that area, she ignored him and he became angry.
 
Nessie said:
At a protest in Newcastle, a police officer is filmed taking a Union Flag off a female teenager and another police officer is seen to usher her away from where she is standing. It is clear she is protesting outwith the area where the other protestors are, so it looks like the police are preventing her from protesting in that area. That is normal for any protest, it is given an area and those protestors must be in that area.

If you read about the incident on X, or news articles, you do not get any of that information. Instead, everyone is using the incident for clickbait.


That so many journalists and social media commentators, are using this incident, as clickbait, to sow discord, is bad for society. I do think that the police officer who grabs the flag and walks away, leaving the other police officer to remove the teenager, acting poorly. But, in the heat of a protest, mistakes will be made. I would not be surprised, as the officer is in light blue and he is acting as a liaison, he had had contact with the teenager, he had told her not to protest in that area, she ignored him and he became angry.
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The police can be over zealous - look at what happened to Republic: https://apnews.com/article/king-cha...ers-arrested-04b571c1e9268f59e65a02272af4fe75 - they'd even spoken to the police prior to the event.
 
Darat said:
The police can be over zealous - look at what happened to Republic: https://apnews.com/article/king-cha...ers-arrested-04b571c1e9268f59e65a02272af4fe75 - they'd even spoken to the police prior to the event.
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That looks like a mistake by the police;

"Police arrested 64 people around Saturday’s coronation, most for allegedly planning to disrupt the ceremonies. Four have been charged, while most were released on bail. Six members of anti-monarchist group Republic were let go and told they would not face any charges."

I think that Hanlon's Razor applies in that incident. The article explains that a recently introduced law was being enforced by the police, with regards to what counts as a device that can be used to lock a protestor to an object, so disrupting something that is lawful, such as the Coronation parade. At the time of enforcement, there will be cops who are just not that bright, who lack common sense, who make mistakes.
 
Nessie said:
At a protest in Newcastle, a police officer is filmed taking a Union Flag off a female teenager and another police officer is seen to usher her away from where she is standing. It is clear she is protesting outwith the area where the other protestors are, so it looks like the police are preventing her from protesting in that area. That is normal for any protest, it is given an area and those protestors must be in that area.

If you read about the incident on X, or news articles, you do not get any of that information. Instead, everyone is using the incident for clickbait.


That so many journalists and social media commentators, are using this incident, as clickbait, to sow discord, is bad for society. I do think that the police officer who grabs the flag and walks away, leaving the other police officer to remove the teenager, acting poorly. But, in the heat of a protest, mistakes will be made. I would not be surprised, as the officer is in light blue and he is acting as a liaison, he had had contact with the teenager, he had told her not to protest in that area, she ignored him and he became angry.
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This came up in my feed on Threads
 

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David Allen Green on the failure of the prosecution of Kneecap member Liam Og O hAnnaidh.
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The Kneecap prosecution collapsed because police and prosecutors did not take terrorism law seriously

Where "a technicality" hides a fundamental error
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Key takeaway
At the bottom of this mess is a simple point: the police and the prosecutors were careless with terrorism law and careless about its express safeguards.
Things were left to the last minute and a consent (which may or may not have been given) - a step imposed by parliament as a crucial step - was not obtained.
And this mishap meant that the Chief Magistrate of England and Wales had no jurisdiction to hear what was on the face of it a terrorism case.
Police and the prosecutors should remember that this is terrorism law that they are dealing with.
Terrorism law should be taken seriously.
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In the UK Terrorism laws are too often misused as they give officials sweeping powers. Nice to see the safeguards working but note that Laim had 3 (three) KCs representing him and as DAG says "Such a challenge would require resources not normally available to a defendant.
One wonders how many cases where there has been no jurisdiction have been brought where the defendant could have challenged jurisdiction but did not have the awareness or the means to do so."
 
zooterkin said:
This came up in my feed on Threads
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So, as suspected, she was outwith the correct protest area and so her protest was ended by the police. How it was ended was badly handled by one of the cops. It would have been better for them to make it clear why she, and her flag, were being removed and to leave her with the flag as she was removed. But that is easy to say with hindsight.
 
Here is Daniel ShenSmiths, somewhat guarded, response.

 
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Panorama programme, undercover bod works in a custody centre and lo and behold, sexism, racism etc. Met commissioner of course says action has been taken, as if that's the end of the matter. Every time someone scratches the surface of the Met they find the same thing and "action" is taken. I really do think the Met needs rebuilding from the bottom up.
 
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Darat said:
Panorama programme, undercover bod works in a custody centre and lo and behold, sexism, racism etc. Met commissioner of course says action has been taken, as if that's the end of the matter. Every time someone scratches the surface of the Met they find the same thing and "action" is taken. I really do think the Met needs rebuilding from the bottom up.
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Every job will have people with extreme opinions and bias in it. The police are the public and the public are the police. Vetting can never 100% prevent people who should not be in a job, getting that job. The programme made it clear that the vast majority of cops and custody staff were fine. The ones highlighted by the programme will not be police officers or staff for much longer. This will act as a deterrent and the atmosphere today, in the Met will be cold to say the least.

My experience of London is that it has a lot of rude, aggressive, entitled people, of all backgrounds, in it. Way more than the Highlands I spent much of my career working in. It does not surprise me that such a city, produces more of a certain type of cop.

Some of what the programme covered, to me, was not very controversial. The cop who discussed how he liked to scrap, i.e, get involved in arrests that needed force, is the type of cop needed in response policing. We need physically confident people, not afraid of physical confrontation, to be the ones to face aggressive criminals who think they can fight their way out of being arrested.
 
Nessie said:
Every job will have people with extreme opinions and bias in it. ...snip...
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You seem to be missing something, which is these idiots were bringing their "extreme opinions" and bias into their workplace. I could have sacked all those people for gross misconduct at any company I've worked at if they had come out with that crap when at work.
 
Darat said:
You seem to be missing something, which is these idiots were bringing their "extreme opinions" and bias into their workplace. I could have sacked all those people for gross misconduct at any company I've worked at if they had come out with that crap when at work.
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No I did not miss that and I would expect most jobs to have similar. But, it is worse with the police, due to the powers they have.
 
I think around 1500 stackings and disciplinary cases over the last few years in the Met is more towards endemic than the usual 'few bad apples'
 
Nessie said:
Some of what the programme covered, to me, was not very controversial. The cop who discussed how he liked to scrap, i.e, get involved in arrests that needed force, is the type of cop needed in response policing. We need physically confident people, not afraid of physical confrontation, to be the ones to face aggressive criminals who think they can fight their way out of being arrested.
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You need people who are prepared to scrap, not people who actually want to.
 
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