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The behaviour of UK police officers.

Rolfe said:
I'm not going to judge that too harshly unless negligence or misconduct is shown. It was a hellish situation.
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It appears that the man who was killed by the police bullet was one of a group of men who were barricading the door from inside with their bodies, pushing against it to prevent the terrorist gaining entrance to the building. The bullet, presumably fired at the terrorist, passed through the door and hit the man in the chest. I can't see any way blame should attach to the police officer in this situation.
 
A msn sized target at close range doesn't need a 'sharpshooter'
Also I would have a look at the guns and ammunition being used and their suitability.
Over penetration should be a big consideration.
 
The door was presumably not very substantial. However, I presume it was opaque, and I don't see how the cops would even have been aware that there were people leaning against it on the inside.
 
Andy_Ross said:
If they were properly trained they would have been aware of the risk.
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Maybe they were, but they were also aware of the risk if a man with a knife at best got into the building and out of their line of sight/in among the victims and that he was wearing what appeared to be a suicide vest. I'm very thankful I don't have to make those kind of decisions ever, let alone in the heat of the moment.
 
I would at least have hit him and I would have been aware of the risk of penetrating the door.
I have to wonder what their training regime and level of firearms training actually is.
I would also question the choice of ammunition and calibre.
 
So a couple of seconds mire to assess and acquire the target before pulling the trigger won't have made the situation worse.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I would at least have hit him and I would have been aware of the risk of penetrating the door.
I have to wonder what their training regime and level of firearms training actually is.
I would also question the choice of ammunition and calibre.
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They did hit him.

Given that they couldn't see through the door, even if they were aware that there were people pushing against it from inside, the chance of a shot penetrating the door actually hitting a part of someone's anatomy that would be fatal probably wasn't all that high.
 
Either one of the shots missed and went through the door, or, the shots were so over powered they went through the target, the door still retained enough energy to kill someone on the other side.
The shooter should have been aware of the power of his weapon and taken a couple of seconds to change his position before shooting.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Either one of the shots missed and went through the door, or, the shots were so over powered they went through the target, the door still retained enough energy to kill someone on the other side.
The shooter should have been aware of the power of his weapon and taken a couple of seconds to change his position before shooting.
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And if he'd forced his way through the door, or triggered a bomb in those couple of seconds? With all due respect, hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment I absolutely understand why the shooter felt they had to take the shot.

Has there been any confirmation on whether the bomb vest was real? The odds are not, but obviously the consequences of assuming that and being wrong are so severe you have to assume against the odds.
 
They are supposed to be highly trained. Assessing the shot and basic aiming should be part of it.

I don't think the weapons they were using were so over powered they went through the target and a door with enough energy remaining to kill someone on the other side.
Unless the people that selected the weapons and ammunition are incompetent.
 
IDK what the police were shooting but 9mm seems likely and it has a reputation for being at the top end of what's reasonable for overpenetration in policing situations. But it rather depends on what you expect to have to shoot at, and having made your choice you're stuck with what you brought. It does seem unlikely the lethal shot could have gone through both the attacker and the door first but I guess we'll learn more about how many shots were fired in time.
 
Well, there's 9mm and there's 9mm
Differences in load of Powder and projectile weight makes a lot of difference.
 
www.theguardian.com

Former Northamptonshire police chief Nick Adderley to face criminal charges

Adderley, said to have made false claims about time in Navy, to be prosecuted over allegations of fraud and misconduct
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The fish rotting from the head first...

Tl;dr Nick Adderley is being charged with fraud and misconduct in a public office.

I'll be fascinated to hear what his defense is...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
www.theguardian.com

Former Northamptonshire police chief Nick Adderley to face criminal charges

Adderley, said to have made false claims about time in Navy, to be prosecuted over allegations of fraud and misconduct
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The fish rotting from the head first...

Tl;dr Nick Adderley is being charged with fraud and misconduct in a public office.

I'll be fascinated to hear what his defense is...
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A few white lies and a little bit of fraud, the poor man is being hounded out!
 
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