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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

jt512 said:
On the basis of his political ideology, obviously. And that implies that the dean would similar feel no sympathy for students of similar ideology under the dean's responsibility. The president deemed that disqualifying for the job.
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Or on the basis that he made himself rich by debating undergraduates. Or on the basis that he helped elect President Trump and continued to influence the administration. The BBC noted, "In his tribute, Vance wrote: "He didn't just help us win in 2024, he helped us staff the entire government.""
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Or on the basis that he made himself rich by debating undergraduates. Or on the basis that he helped elect President Trump and continued to influence the administration. The BBC noted, "In his tribute, Vance wrote: "He didn't just help us win in 2024, he helped us staff the entire government.""
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Yeah. She can tell that to the judge.
 
From the BBC: FCC chair Cole said, "...some of the sickest conduct possible..." What was he talking about?!
 
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jt512 said:
That's not for me to apply.
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If you want to confidently express sentiments such as "administrators do not...have protected academic freedom" then you should be willing to do the legal analysis to back them up. I'm not remotely confident about the outcome when applied to this fact pattern but I do look forward to seeing what the appeals courts have to say.
 
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d4m10n said:
If you want to confidently express sentiments such as "administrators do not...have protected academic freedom" then you should be willing to do the legal analysis to back them up.
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Huh? Administrators don't have academic freedom because they are not academics.
d4m10n said:
I'm not remotely confident about the outcome when applied to this fact pattern but I do look forward to seeing what the appeals courts have to say.
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I'm not either, and I never said I was.
 
At Politico Lawprof Aziz Huq suggested that Mr. Kimmel sue, writing, "Although the Supreme Court did not ultimately decide the merits in the social media case, no justice doubted the clear-as-day First Amendment principle that, as Alito explained, “government officials may not coerce private entities to suppress speech.” Indeed, less than a month beforehand, the unanimous court held in a different case that the First Amendment “prohibits government officials from relying on the ‘threat of invoking legal sanctions and other means of coercion . . . to achieve the suppression’ of disfavored speech.”

In a separate opinion, Justice Neil Gorsuch explained what a plaintiff needed to show to get into court: Could the government’s conduct, when “viewed in context,” be “reasonably understood to convey a threat of adverse government action in order to punish or suppress the plaintiff ’s speech?”"
 
jt512 said:
Administrators don't have academic freedom because they are not academics.
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That was not part of the holding from Pickering v. Board of Education (1968) or Connick v. Myers (1983) or Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006).

I suspect you've been misled by AI summaries.
 
d4m10n said:
That was not part of the holding from Pickering v. Board of Education (1968) or Connick v. Myers (1983) or Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006).
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I was addressing your comment: "If you want to confidently express sentiments such as "administrators do not...have protected academic freedom" then you should be willing to do the legal analysis to back them up."

I don't have to look at any case law to understand why university administrators don't have academic freedom. They don't have academic freedom because they are not academics.
d4m10n said:
I suspect you've been misled by AI summaries.
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You suspect wrong. I'm actually quite familiar with the subject. I've co-authored at least three peer-reviewed papers on academic freedom. I also have close contacts with leaders of the Academic Freedom Alliance (some of whom are my co-authors) with whom I have discussed the subject in considerable depth.
 
For context here, by "academic freedom" jt512 is referring to the supposed takeover of academia by the demon named "woke". Just so everybody is clear on that.
 
arthwollipot said:
For context here, by "academic freedom" jt512 is referring to the supposed takeover of academia by the demon named "woke". Just so everybody is clear on that.
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Some demons are real.

Performative virtue-signaling has become a threat to higher ed

Publicly, they conform; privately, they question — often in isolation. This split between outer presentation and inner conviction not only fragments identity but arrests its development.

This dissonance shows up everywhere. Seventy-eight percent of students told us they self-censor on their beliefs surrounding gender identity; 72 percent on politics; 68 percent on family values. More than 80 percent said they had submitted classwork that misrepresented their views in order to align with professors. For many, this has become second nature — an instinct for academic and professional self-preservation.
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arthwollipot said:
Yes, that is jt512's basic premise. Doesn't mean that the demon is real.
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jt512 said:
I've co-authored at least three peer-reviewed papers on academic freedom.
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In that case, you should be able to enumerate the reasons why we protect academic freedom and elucidate why they do not apply to administrators who work directly with students.
 
d4m10n said:
In that case, you should be able to enumerate the reasons why we protect academic freedom and elucidate why they do not apply to administrators who work directly with students.
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Because they're not academics! They don't teach. How hard is that to understand?
 
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