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Cuomo defeated in NYC Democratic Mayoral Primary

kookbreaker said:
Don't let him change the subject.
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I mean, I don't think he's going to have a useful response, because "innocent until proven guilty" was never a good faith attempt to redeem Cuomo in the first place. Cuomo is still under active criminal investigation for the nursing home scandal, and that's reason enough not to vote for him. If Mamdani was found to have said something genuinely anti-Semitic, that would be a major scandal and sufficient reason not to support him, despite the fact that no crime had been commited. The idea that you need to have been convicted of a crime or be found liable in a civil action (where "innocent until proven guilty" is not a thing) in order to be considered unelectable is just an transparent feint from someone trying to redeem the irredeemable.
 
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kookbreaker said:
Somehow I doubt Mamdani being elected is going to destroy the city. NYC is resilient and will be fine. Anything you find problematic wouldn't pass through the city council. He's not gonna be a mini-Trump issuing mayoral orders that change the landscape. A handful of his plans may be worked through but that's about it.

Meanwhile the fact that 'moderates' have rallied around a sex-pest is likely to make *me* spew chunks. This leaves only the corrupt guy sucking up to Trump and the gang leader.
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Sarcasm doesn't always get recognized. I certainly don't see Cuomo as some savior.
 
mumblethrax said:
I mean, I don't think he's going to have a useful response, because "innocent until proven guilty" was never a good faith attempt to redeem Cuomo in the first place. Cuomo is still under active criminal investigation for the nursing home scandal, and that's reason enough not to vote for him. If Mamdani was found to have said something genuinely anti-Semitic, that would be a major scandal and sufficient reason not to support him, despite the fact that no crime had been commited. The idea that you need to have been convicted of a crime or be found liable in a civil action (where "innocent until proven guilty" is not a thing) in order to be considered unelectable is just an transparent feint from someone trying to redeem the irredeemable.
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One could argue that due to their behavior, both Cuomo and Mamdani should not be elected Mayor.

Cuomo is an alleged sexual assaulter and Mamdani has praised terrorists and refuses to condemn calls for global jihad, and has obsessely pushed for legislation to punish pro-israel charities.
 
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Hercules56 said:
He praised 5 men who were convicted for terrorism.
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I am aware of the specious accusation, which is how I know it's false.

He no more "praised terrorism" than supporters of the Guildford Four and Maguire Seven did before their convictions were overturned.

In any case, this sufficiently demonstrates that your "innocent until proven guilty" stuff was presented in bad faith.
 
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mumblethrax said:
I am aware of the specious accusation, which is how I know it's false.

He no more "praised terrorism" than supporters of the Guildford Four and Maguire Seven did before their convictions were overturns.

In any case, this sufficiently demonstrates that your "innocent until proven guilty" stuff was presented in bad faith.
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We know for a fact that he praised financers of terrorism. This fact is not in dispute. Just as we know the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. No court conviction is required.
 
mumblethrax said:
I am aware of the specious accusation, which is how I know it's false.

He no more "praised terrorism" than supporters of the Guildford Four and Maguire Seven did before their convictions were overturned.

In any case, this sufficiently demonstrates that your "innocent until proven guilty" stuff was presented in bad faith.
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Praising convicted terrorist is not a crime. But it does give good insight into the agenda and mindset of the person.

Of course if he is now willing to retract his praising of people convicted of financing terroristm that would change things.
 
Hercules56 said:
We know for a fact that he praised financers of terrorism. This fact is not in dispute. Just as we know the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. No court conviction is required.
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No, we don't know that for a fact. It is, in fact, disputed. The dispute is literally the reason for him offering them his support (not praise).

These are very obviously politically motivated distortions.
 
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mumblethrax said:
No, we don't know that for a fact. It is, in fact, disputed. The dispute is literally the reason for him offering them his support (not praise).

These are very obviously politically motivated distortions.
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Who disputes this???

Did Mamdani not say in his song "My love to the Holy Land Five. You better look ’em up,”????
 
Hercules56 said:
Who disputes this???

Did Mamdani not say in his song "My love to the Holy Land Five. You better look ’em up,”????
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Human Rights Watch, several law professors, prominent civil rights attorneys, many Palestinian and Muslim Americans, and (presumably) Zohran Mamdani.

Yes, he sang that. As in "There was a miscarriage of justice here, and you should look into it."

That's another nothingburger.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Zohran has never disputed that he praised the Holy Land 5. You are lying.
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For ◊◊◊◊'s sake.

It's disputed that they materially supported terrorism (and especially that they materially supported terrorism to a greater degree than the US government did).

That is, he (and I) would dispute that he was supporting terrorists. He gave them a shout out precisely because he thinks they aren't terrorists. Framing that as "praising terrorists" is supremely dishonest.
 
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