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Cont: Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed - part 3

what did they do wrong?

They created a lot of media attention - should they have tried to fight the Israeli ships?

It was not the success they wanted, but still a success.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
what did they do wrong?
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What did they do that mattered?

The Great Zaganza said:
They created a lot of media attention - should they have tried to fight the Israeli ships?
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There was already a lot of media attention. Coals to Newcastle, is what this was.

I suppose what they "should" have done was use their influence to actually get more supplies into Gaza. Of course, this would have to start by establishing their bona fides to the Israeli government, as a trustworthy and impartial partner in humanitarian aid. Bad-faith stunts like this are counter-productive.
The Great Zaganza said:
It was not the success they wanted, but still a success.
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I think it very much was the success they wanted. They had to have known the media attention was superfluous. They had to have known their less-than-truckload amount of supplies was inconsequential to the need. They had to have known the Israelis would never allow them to run the blockade and deliver their cargo.

I think the whole point of the stunt was to get those photo ops of the Deeply Disturbed Brave Campaigner, getting detained and then flying home. I think it was certainly a success in that sense, that they accomplished exactly what they wanted to accomplish. I think it was a failure in the sense that what they accomplished was completely pointless and irrelevant.
 
theprestige said:
At this point I have to wonder, did Greta embrace cargo-cult activism, or does she still think she's making a difference?
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She embraced grift activism. Whether or not it achieves its nominal goal is beside the point.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
you have a better suggestion on what to do besides trying to bring aid to Gaza ?
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How about actually bringing aid to Gaza?

Granted, that requires actually working with the Israelis, and if your goal is to demonize them, that's obviously a non-starter. So perhaps getting aid to Gaza was never really the goal. Not that this was hard to figure out, given how little aid they were even trying to bring.
 
theprestige said:
I guess my question is, does she understand that's what she's embraced? Or is still she laboring under the impression this is how real change gets done?
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From the outside, it's hard to say. Plus, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
 
Brainster said:
And they put her on a plane? Surely a bicycle or some other green mode of transportation could have been arranged?
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The monsters are just rubbing salt in her wounds by choosing a high carbon mode of transportation. </sarc>
 
arthwollipot said:
To be clear. Unless you can argue that seizing the ship, its cargo, and its passengers fulfils a valid strategic military objective, or you can demonstrate that the ship was involved in illegal activity such as smuggling or trafficking, or there is a humanitarian crisis aboard, then this action in international waters is not legal under UN international law.

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What international waters are you imagining? Israel's maritime authority is bounded by the maritime authorities of Egypt in the south, Lebanon in the north, and Cyprus in the west.

Also, "not legal under UN international law" is a nonsensical phrase.
 
theprestige said:
What international waters are you imagining? Israel's maritime authority is bounded by the maritime authorities of Egypt in the south, Lebanon in the north, and Cyprus in the west.

Also, "not legal under UN international law" is a nonsensical phrase.
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Why would the IDFascists seize a ship bringing food to starving people?
 
Hercules56 said:
Why would the IDFascists seize a ship bringing food to starving people?
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Oh? You're changing the subject? So you agree that Israel was not operating in international waters, when they enforced their blockade of Gaza.

As for why Israel is blockading Gaza: Surely you must have realized by now that uncontrolled shipments to Hamas are an obvious and unacceptable security risk.

As for food... Have you actually looked at the payload capacity of Greta's sailboat? Have you done the math on how much of that payload capacity was wasted on supplies for celebrity passengers?
 
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