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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

theprestige said:
That's absurd. It creates a perverse incentive to be temporarily compliant to get the grant, and then be flagrantly noncompliant thereafter with impunity. Can you imagine if the EPA or the SEC regulated their fields the same way?
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Apparently you missed the part in which I explicitly said "unless the institution has changed to violate those criteria...." which was certainly intended to answer your exact complaint here.
 
jt512 said:
Funny thing is, come to think of it, DEI on US campuses hasn't led to utopia. It has led to mass antisemitism; racial and ideological discrimination in admissions and hiring; anonymous, Stasi-like denunciations; quashing of free speech and open inquiry; punishment of faculty, staff, and students on ideological grounds; and fear and self-censorship to an extent never before experienced in America, even during the McCarthy era. There is a wee disconnect between the utopia you think DEI should have produced and the Orwellian dystopia it actually has produced.
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That's because, as I have been saying all along, the US does DEI catastrophically wrong. What America calls "DEI" isn't DEI and America - and you as an American - just. doesn't. get. it.
 
Hercules56 said:
I'd LOVE to see evidence that the grants that have been pulled from Harvard involve DEI.

Something tells me there is no such evidence, and the grants that were pulled were never accused or suspected of being involved in racist policies.

Trump is simply punishing Harvard.
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Try and follow along: The federal Joint Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism investigated Harvard (and Columbia) and found that "Harvard University has repeatedly failed to confront the pervasive race discrimination and anti-Semitic harassment plaguing its campus." It then froze $2.2 billion in Harvard's federal grants and presented Harvard with a list of reforms it must agree to in order to get the funding restored. The funds were not frozen due to DEI, but due to Harvard's failure to curtail antisemitism on its campus. And the funds were not frozen because they involved DEI. They were frozen because funding is the primary (and most lenient) leverage the government has to persuade Harvard to agree to the reforms.

The government rescission of grants involving DEI is a completely different matter, which has nothing in particular to do with Harvard per se. NSF and NIH have reviewed their existing grants and have cancelled those that involved DEI regardless of the institution that received the grant. I know researchers at UC Berkeley and the University of Southern California, for example, who have had grants cancelled. This, as I said, is in some cases unfortunate because some of the canceled grants included DEI components only because Biden required them to.
 
johnny karate said:
What investigation did the Trump administration conduct to determine that Harvard has "racist policies" and where can I access the details and results of this investigation?
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As I explained above, the federal Joint Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism investigated Harvard. It is one of 10 universities that the Task Force announced it would investigate. In addition, the Department of Education has sent letters to 60 colleges and universities warning that they are subject to enforcement action if they do not come into compliance with Title VI anti-discrimination requirements.
 
jt512 said:
As I explained above, the federal Joint Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism investigated Harvard. It is one of 10 universities that the Task Force announced it would investigate. In addition, the Department of Education has sent letters to 60 colleges and universities warning that they are subject to enforcement action if they do not come into compliance with Title VI anti-discrimination requirements.
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You linked to press releases referencing investigations, with no additional supporting evidence for the underlying claims than you or anyone else has provided in this thread. I asked for details of the investigations, not propaganda about them.

Here, let me give you an example. Remember the settlement agreement with the Lowndes County Health Department regarding wastewater management that you and the other Trump voters in this thread erroneously called "racist"?

Here's the interim agreement the DOJ reached with them after nearly two years of investigation that provides specifics about the exhaustive nature of the investigation, how it was conducted, its findings and conclusions, and the terms of the agreement based on those findings and conclusions. It's 15 pages, concise but detailed.

Please provide a link to something of similar detail regarding the Trump administration's investigation into Harvard.
 
jt512 said:
As I explained above, the federal Joint Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism investigated Harvard. It is one of 10 universities that the Task Force announced it would investigate. In addition, the Department of Education has sent letters to 60 colleges and universities warning that they are subject to enforcement action if they do not come into compliance with Title VI anti-discrimination requirements.
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I can see where this is heading. The Pro-Palestinian = Pro Hamas canard.

And, allowing people to protest the destruction of Palestine is nothing to do with DEI hiring, as johnny karate requested information on.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I can see where this is heading. The Pro-Palestinian = Pro Hamas canard.

And, allowing people to protest the destruction of Palestine is nothing to do with DEI hiring, as johnny karate requested information on.
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You seem to be even more confused about the issues than Hercules.

ETA: As to Johnny, he doesn't seem to know what he's asking for, or at least how to ask for it. He says he wants "'details' of the investigation." The details that I have posted include the government agency that undertook the investigation, their findings, the penalty they imposed on Harvard, and the demands they are requiring of Harvard to resolve the issue and restore Harvard's funding. Johnny then "clarifies" that by "details" he means a settlement agreement. But there has not yet been a settlement agreement because Harvard has, to date, refused to negotiate one, choosing instead to sue the federal government. As an aside (and I have stated this before), the law suit, according to Alan Dershowitz and others with insider legal knowledge, is largely performative, as Harvard's choice of law firm is actually a signal to the government that it wishes to settle out of court.
 
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jt512 said:
You seem to be even more confused about the issues than Hercules.

ETA: As to Johnny, he doesn't seem to know what he's asking for, or at least how to ask for it. He says he wants "'details' of the investigation." The details that I have posted include the government agency that undertook the investigation, their findings, the penalty they imposed on Harvard, and the demands they are requiring of Harvard to resolve the issue and restore Harvard's funding. Johnny then "clarifies" that by "details" he means a settlement agreement. But there has not yet been a settlement agreement because Harvard has, to date, refused to negotiate one, choosing instead to sue the federal government. As an aside (and I have stated this before), the law suit, according to Alan Dershowitz and others with insider legal knowledge, is largely performative, as Harvard's choice of law firm is actually a signal to the government that it wishes to settle out of court.
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No, I am not asking for a settlement agreement. I am very specifically asking for details about the investigation.

The example I cited just happened to be a settlement agreement, but it met my criteria because it contained the information I requested: details about the investigation that led to the settlement agreement.

So far, you and the other Trump supporters in this thread have only repeated or linked to propaganda from the Trump administration.

I’m looking for substance, not propaganda.
 
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arthwollipot said:
That's because, as I have been saying all along, the US does DEI catastrophically wrong. What America calls "DEI" isn't DEI and America - and you as an American - just. doesn't. get. it.
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Great. Now how about you stop vilifying those of us who want to do away with the catastrophically wrong ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ that is being done in the US?
 
Hercules56 said:
You stated the following which you cannot prove:
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I linked to the peer-reviewed Epimov paper, which, as I stated, meticulously documented what I stated. You are confused between "cannot prove" and "didn't read."
 
arthwollipot said:
Just pointing out that the source is very strongly biased. They're motivated to spin the facts in a particular way, and you've fallen for it. Hook, line, and sinker.
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Newsflash: Arth attacks source, ignores content.

Ad hominem is the new skepticism.
 
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