Vixen
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About the Republic of Dominica, RS and the mafiosi, which a poster claimed meant nothing:
Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32
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Stacyhs
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Watch and see how this is done: My mistake. See? That's not so hard. Try it sometime.
But I've also provided THREE other articles dated Nov. 19, 2007 identifying Guede by name.
I don't care what Follain wrote. I've provided evidence from the court records and three articles that Guede's name and photo were in the news media on Nov. 19, not on Nov. 20.
Stacyhs
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No, we don't know that at all. Do you really think it's logical that they'd wash the heel from the floor but leave the damn bathmat and then point it out to the police? Do you? And please, no repeating of such nonsense as they were "trying to pull one over on the police to show how smart they were".
If they mopped up the area with a 'gap of several meters", then WHY are there INTACT footprints between Meredith's room and the bathroom?
Thinks about it: NONE of the footprints assigned to Knox tested positive for blood. The bathmat could not be definitively assigned to either RS or RG. But logic...at least for most people...says it did NOT belong to Sollecito or he would have removed it and NOT have been pointed out to the police!
Sigh. That doesn't even deserve an answer it's so ridiculous. It's merely proof of desperation.
"Ew" is an accurate reaction if you think your roommate may have left menstrual blood in your bathroom.
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Stacyhs
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Jesus Christ. Do you actually believe what you write?
A cut throat gesture means someone had their throat cut. That's why it's called a "cut throat" gesture.
Kercher had her throat cut and that's what the gesture meant.
Your attempt to discredit Altieri is beyond transparent and pathetic. It's just another example of your ongoing campaign to discredit any non-inculpatory witness, lawyer, expert, or judge as being corrupt.
Stacyhs
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LOL! Are you really quoting (but, interestingly, failing to cite) a comment from the PGP darling (and nutcase) Naseer Ahmad, aka Ergon and The Man From Atlan? Naseer who claims he's Jesus incarnate and from the planet Atlan? You really are scraping the bottom of he barrel here, Vixen!
Stacyhs, Thanks!
Vixen
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You do not understand chronology. Let's try again.
- Guede was arrested at 6:00am 20 November 2007, CET.
- Curt Knox was visiting AK at 9:30am - 10:30am, 20 Nov 2007, three hours later, when asked by AK, "Was his [the fourth person's] name, 'Rudy?"
- Curt Knox informed her the name had not yet been released.
- Roger Guede, RG's father said he saw the news at 11:45am on 20 Nov 2007, CET.
- AK had discussed the 'fourth person' with her lawyer in the previous days but made no mention to her father that he gave her the name.
- AK asked her father if he knew the name.
- AK asked Curt Knox, "Was his name Rudy?". This is from the police wire tap transcript.
- Curt Knox replied, the information has not yet been released.
Stop trying to use PNW time zone to back date it. You cannot backdate what date Guede was arrested!
Rudy Guede was arrested 6:00am 20 November 2007.
So it was still the 19 Nov 2007 in your area, eleven hours BEHIND Central European Time, Italy.* Do you really believe AK has the ablity to time travel backwards to retrieve the information, 'Was it Rudy?' when her dad, free in the outside world, had not yet been informed? I love how AK uses Guede's Christian name, after claiming she had no idea who this guy was.
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* You do know online papers automatically update to YOUR time zone? Don't you?
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Vixen
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I said "investigate and prosecute." Kindly answer the question that I asked, rather than the one you wish I'd asked. Further, I know there's no current investigation and that no one will be prosecuted because the statute of limitations has run.
Irrelevant. And what Stacy said.
I don't believe I ever used the word "likely." If I were to assign a qualifier, it would be, at a minimum "almost certainly," although I doubt that's even strong enough. I would say that Knox and Sollecito are certainly innocent beyond any reasonable doubt (and that includes Knox's calunnia charge).
Bull. I never followed the case at the time it was going on; I don't think I even heard about it until at least a few years after the murder, because I had very little free time, and the news sources I consumed back then didn't have any coverage to speak of. To the extent that I had an opinion, my assumption would have been that the Italian judicial system had probably gotten it right. I only really got interested a few years ago when things were slow in the parts of the forum I usually frequent and I started reading this thread. (I had ducked in a few times before that, but I'd never really dug into it.)
Further, as has been explained to you ad nauseam, and you have, of course, ignored, there was no "massive PR campaign."
Finally, how do you explain all the non-Americans here who believe Knox and Sollecito are innocent?
If you'd bothered to do any real research, you would have discovered that the most recent polling (which has been a while ago; no one's really interested in doing surveys anymore) indicated that, among Americans, "not sure," was either the choice of a plurality of respondents, or tied with "innocent," meaning that most Americans in fact either think that Knox is guilty, or aren't sure. Fail.
Your posting history strongly suggests you believe otherwise.
What I'm intensely hostile to is your failure to debate honestly, including what can only be intentional mischaracterization of other peoples' arguments, mulish unwillingness to acknowledge your countless errors, and continual grossly insulting claims that anyone who believes Knox is innocent is either ignorant or has been brainwashed.
No comment.
EDIT: Corrected misspelling of Stacy's name.
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Source: https://famous-trials.com/amanda-knox/2634-the-amanda-knox-case-a-chronology
Source: https://www.4ni.co.uk/uk-national-news/69326/meredith-murder-suspect-to-be-extradited
Note: the date of the above media article is 4 December 2007. Note that it didn't change its date to the day I accessed it (7 May 2025 in the US).
Source: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...nn-guede-arrives-at-romes-news-photo/78279921
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7105051.stm
Summary: Guede was a suspect in the murder/rape of Kercher on or before 19 November 2007. The prosecutor had prepared an International Arrest Warrant for Guede as of 19 November 2007. The information that Guede (including name and photo) was a suspect had leaked to the (Italian) media (ANSA etc.) on or before 19 November, so Prosecutor Mignini prepared an official document on 19 November 2007 releasing the name and photo of Guede as a suspect to the media. Guede was arrested (or detained for not having a ticket on a train and then arrested) in Germany on 20 November 2007. He was extradited to Italy and arrived back in Italy on 6 December 2007.
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Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
I said "investigate and prosecute." Kindly answer the question that I asked, rather than the one you wish I'd asked. Further, I know there's no current investigation and that no one will be prosecuted because the statute of limitations has run.
Irrelevant. And what Stacy said.
I don't believe I ever used the word "likely." If I were to assign a qualifier, it would be, at a minimum "almost certainly," although I doubt that's even strong enough. I would say that Knox and Sollecito are certainly innocent beyond any reasonable doubt (and that includes Knox's calunnia charge).
Bull. I never followed the case at the time it was going on; I don't think I even heard about it until at least a few years after the murder, because I had very little free time, and the news sources I consumed back then didn't have any coverage to speak of. To the extent that I had an opinion, my assumption would have been that the Italian judicial system had probably gotten it right. I only really got interested a few years ago when things were slow in the parts of the forum I usually frequent and I started reading this thread. (I had ducked in a few times before that, but I'd never really dug into it.)
Further, as has been explained to you ad nauseam, and you have, of course, ignored, there was no "massive PR campaign."
Finally, how do you explain all the non-Americans here who believe Knox and Sollecito are innocent?
If you'd bothered to do any real research, you would have discovered that the most recent polling (which has been a while ago; no one's really interested in doing surveys anymore) indicated that, among Americans, "not sure," was either the choice of a plurality of respondents, or tied with "innocent," meaning that most Americans in fact either think that Knox is guilty, or aren't sure. Fail.
Your posting history strongly suggests you believe otherwise.
What I'm intensely hostile to is your failure to debate honestly, including what can only be intentional mischaracterization of other peoples' arguments, mulish unwillingness to acknowledge your countless errors, and continual grossly insulting claims that anyone who believes Knox is innocent is either ignorant or has been brainwashed.
No comment.
EDIT: Corrected misspelling of Stacy's name.
Thank you for telling me what you think of me. I'll bear it in mind.
Did you not know about the PR Agency? Perhaps take on board the Yorkshire homily, 'Shut gob, pin back t'lug'oles and put t'brain in gear' before doing your showboating heckling act.
In fact, Knox’s father, Curt, told the Puget Sound Business Journal that hiring David Marriott as his daughter’s publicist was “one of the smartest things we ever did.” Marriott is a principal of Seattle PR company Gogerty Marriott.
The Puget Sound Business Journal details how it happened:
“By enlisting her friends and family, and targeting specific news organizations to tell the family’s story, Marriott eventually helped reshape how the world saw the young American. ”
Amanda Knox’s dad: Hiring a PR pro was ‘one of the smartest things we ever did’ - PR Daily
A Seattle-based public relations firm played an important role in the release of Amanda Knox from an Italian prison. Public relations played a major part in the release of accused killer Amanda Knox from an Italian prison. In fact, Knox’s father, Curt, told the Puget Sound Business Journal that...www.prdaily.com
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Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
That may be so but the news was not promulgated by the mass media until lunchtime 20 November 2007, according to trained journalist John Follain. Issuing an International Arrest Warrant on 19 November 2007 and breifing the press in advance is standard practice.
But in any case the police wiretap shows Curt Knox and AK only discussing a 'fourth person'. Curt Knox was not aware of the name of the arrested person because he said so when asked by AK, 'Is his name Rudy?'
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PS, your webpage looks like a US law webpage which of course would use US time.
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Question: When did Guede's friend go to the police to report his suspicions of Guede's involvement in the murder/rape of Kercher?
Vixen
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Breakthrough of Guede's involvement came 16 Nov 2007, when a palm print was matched to his, as he was on their database as an immigrant.
17 Nov 2007, Giacomo Benedetti of Assisi was located, who was a close friend of Guede's and he was appointed to try to contact him, as he had fled.
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Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Vixen, when you make a claim of someone saying or doing something, please provide a link or at least a citation. It's not our job to track down whatever it is YOU are claiming.
On that same day, police interviewed Roger Guede and Rudy's friend Muhan Bajrami. On Nov. 17, Ivano Raffo interviewed Guede's former teacher, Ivana Tiberi, foster father Paolo Caporali, and Giacomo Benedetti.
The police also sequestered his apartment the same day. Gee...I wonder just how the news could have leaked out that Guede was a suspect? It's a mystery!
Yes, Vixen, that's when Roger saw it, not when it was first released.
The Int. search warrant was issued Nov. 19 stating that ANSA had already released Guede's name and photo to the media. What part of that do you not understand? Just because Curt hadn't heard it, does not change that fact.
I just accessed the TRG article now at 1:46 my time. The date and TIME that article was published still says "19/11/2007 15:43". It didn't change.
I also just accessed this article and the date and time: "Last Updated: Wednesday, 21 November 2007, 13:44 GMT. It is 2:06 PDT my time, NOT 13:44 GMT.
As soon as I started reading that load of rubbish, I suspected it came from someone associated with TJMK or TMofMK due to it's absurdity. It didn't take long to find it.
I'm not the one who can't grasp chronology. Mignini signed Guede's arrest warrant on 16 November 2007.
On that same day, police interviewed Roger Guede and Rudy's friend Muhan Bajrami. On Nov. 17, Ivano Raffo interviewed Guede's former teacher, Ivana Tiberi, foster father Paolo Caporali, and Giacomo Benedetti.
The police also sequestered his apartment the same day. Gee...I wonder just how the news could have leaked out that Guede was a suspect? It's a mystery!
I can find no instance of Amanda asking Curt any such thing. This is their exchange on pgs. 24-25:
Note there is NO question mark after "Rudy, questo ragazzo detto anche Rudy ". It's a statement, not a question.
As far as he knew, it hadn't yet. As he told Amanda in the exchange above: "Do you think I can understand TV in Italian? ha ha ha. I couldn't even understand Luciano and Daniela."
Roger already knew something was up because the police interviewed him on Nov. 16 when they were looking for his son.
Yes, Vixen, that's when Roger saw it, not when it was first released.
Citation needed. Unless you can provide a citation for that, it's just your say-so.
I posted their exchange above. That is NOT what Curt or Amanda said.
The Int. search warrant was issued Nov. 19 stating that ANSA had already released Guede's name and photo to the media. What part of that do you not understand? Just because Curt hadn't heard it, does not change that fact.
Jesus Christ. The date and time an article was published does NOT change to another time. It's the time it was published. Those times don't even correlate to when I accessed them.
I just accessed the TRG article now at 1:46 my time. The date and TIME that article was published still says "19/11/2007 15:43". It didn't change.
I also just accessed this article and the date and time: "Last Updated: Wednesday, 21 November 2007, 13:44 GMT. It is 2:06 PDT my time, NOT 13:44 GMT.
Since your highlighted premise is absolute rubbish, the rest of your comment is also rubbish.
So it was still the 19 Nov 2007 in your area, eleven hours BEHIND Central European Time, Italy.* Do you really believe AK has the ablity to time travel backwards to retrieve the information, 'Was it Rudy?' when her dad, free in the outside world, had not yet been informed?
Gee, I dunno, Vixen. Let's see if we can figure out why she might remember and use the name "Rudy" and not the African name of "Guede". Which is easier for an English speaker to remember after hearing it on TV?
Then why didn't the time change from 15:43 when I accessed it a few minutes ago?
NO, you did not. Nowhere did you mention Naseer Ahmad/Ergon or link to the quote.
As soon as I started reading that load of rubbish, I suspected it came from someone associated with TJMK or TMofMK due to it's absurdity. It didn't take long to find it.
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Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Typical Vixen spin: he never said he didn't know about the PR agency; he said there was no "massive PR campaign."
The "massive PR campaign" is an invention of the PGP, particularly TJMK. Curt did hire a PR agency, but it was neither "massive" nor a "campaign". Anyone not promoting the guilt narrative, connected to Gogerty Marriott or not, is presented as part of a "massive PR campaign".
Vixen, thanks for this information.
Do you have citations for each of these statements? Could you please supply them for the benefit of readers of this forum?
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
No, that's not what Follain wrote at all; that's your twist. What he wrote was that was when Roger Guede first saw a news report about his son.
"Rudy’s long-estranged father, Roger, found out about his son’s arrest watching the TV news that
lunchtime, and immediately burst into tears."
He also claimed it was just racism because Rudy is black.
"Professional journalist", "trained journalist": perfect examples of your use of adjectives to either bolster or weaken whatever it is you're promoting.
As previously shown, you're twisting what was actually said. AK did not ask her father "Is his name Rudy?" She told Curt his name is Rudy and she heard it on the news.
WOT? The time and date things happened locally as written on the webpage DO NOT CHANGE to US time. Really, Vixen, this is just a silly thing to push.
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Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
Vixen is rather lax when it comes to providing citations, so here you are:
Fingerprint ID discovery.
Police interview of G. Benedetti
Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
Vixen, when you make a claim of someone saying or doing something, please provide a link or at least a citation. It's not our job to track down whatever it is YOU are claiming.
I'm not the one who can't grasp chronology. Mignini signed Guede's arrest warrant on 16 November 2007.
On that same day, police interviewed Roger Guede and Rudy's friend Muhan Bajrami. On Nov. 17, Ivano Raffo interviewed Guede's former teacher, Ivana Tiberi, foster father Paolo Caporali, and Giacomo Benedetti.
The police also sequestered his apartment the same day. Gee...I wonder just how the news could have leaked out that Guede was a suspect? It's a mystery!
I can find no instance of Amanda asking Curt any such thing. This is their exchange on pgs. 24-25:
Note there is NO question mark after "Rudy, questo ragazzo detto anche Rudy ". It's a statement, not a question.
As far as he knew, it hadn't yet. As he told Amanda in the exchange above: "Do you think I can understand TV in Italian? ha ha ha. I couldn't even understand Luciano and Daniela."
Roger already knew something was up because the police interviewed him on Nov. 16 when they were looking for his son.
Yes, Vixen, that's when Roger saw it, not when it was first released.
Citation needed. Unless you can provide a citation for that, it's just your say-so.
I posted their exchange above. That is NOT what Curt or Amanda said.
The Int. search warrant was issued Nov. 19 stating that ANSA had already released Guede's name and photo to the media. What part of that do you not understand? Just because Curt hadn't heard it, does not change that fact.
Jesus Christ. The date and time an article was published does NOT change to another time. It's the time it was published. Those times don't even correlate to when I accessed them.
I just accessed the TRG article now at 1:46 my time. The date and TIME that article was published still says "19/11/2007 15:43". It didn't change.
I also just accessed this article and the date and time: "Last Updated: Wednesday, 21 November 2007, 13:44 GMT. It is 2:06 PDT my time, NOT 13:44 GMT.
Since your highlighted premise is absolute rubbish, the rest of your comment is also rubbish.
Gee, I dunno, Vixen. Let's see if we can figure out why she might remember and use the name "Rudy" and not the African name of "Guede". Which is easier for an English speaker to remember after hearing it on TV?
Then why didn't the time change from 15:43 when I accessed it a few minutes ago?
NO, you did not. Nowhere did you mention Naseer Ahmad/Ergon or link to the quote.
As soon as I started reading that load of rubbish, I suspected it came from someone associated with TJMK or TMofMK due to it's absurdity. It didn't take long to find it.
I DID cite Naseer's name. Stop lying. It is very irritating.
Incorrect re what AK said 20 Nov 2007. There is no question mark after your version of ''Rudy' because your aim is to get rid of anything you don't like about AK.
Excerpt John Follain, Death in Perugia
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ibid.
You have a weird belief that truth can be changed by rewriting history.
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