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Split Thread Diversity Equity and Inclusion and merit in employment etc

arthwollipot said:
In fact just one hell of a minute there.

In what world is extending opportunity to black people and women "lowering standards"? Isn't that just hella racist and sexist? The assumption that black people and women can't possibly qualify unless the standards are lowered?

Can't you see just how ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up that is? Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ.
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Hey, you've caught on! It's nice to see you joining in opposition to racist policies!
 
BTW, there has been a lot written in this thread about Diversity, but what about Equity?

Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome.
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Note the cute little illustrative cartoon; this seems to be a feature of discussions of equity, because the words are essentially lifted from Marx's "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
 
Hercules56 said:
Says....you.
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Gulino v. Board of Education: Employment Discrimination Case

Gulino v. Board of Education: Employment Discrimination Case
www.gulinolitigation.com

The liability ruling was that the test was not sufficiently related to the job of teaching, and should not have been used as a means to remove or demote existing teachers from their positions. There was no liability ruling that the test was actually discriminatory.

The relief ruling, however, is only allowed for hispanic and black teachers who lost their positions due to failing the test. White teachers who lost their positions for failing the same test are not eligible for relief... because... reasons I suppose.
 
Brainster said:
BTW, there has been a lot written in this thread about Diversity, but what about Equity?



Note the cute little illustrative cartoon; this seems to be a feature of discussions of equity, because the words are essentially lifted from Marx's "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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Generally speaking, equity is a noble goal. It can be abused, because it focuses on outcomes as opposed to opportunities. And when there is limited resources (for example, the time a teacher can devote to students) the tradeoff between equality and equity needs to be reasonable.

For the most part, nobody objects to equity; similarly nobody actually objects to diversity. Where it gets contentious is when the application of "equity" is defined on racial lines, in which case you get inequitable results. You get resources allocated to one group on the basis of their skin color, and denied to another group despite both groups having the same level of need. This doesn't happen particularly often, so it gets less attention. I have a vague recollection of people being a bit miffed about things like covid vaccines being prioritized for black populations instead of being prioritized for low income populations - which would still have provided them to a large number of black people but wouldn't have excluded low income people of other races.

ETA: Marxism is dumb.
 
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MinnesotaBrant said:
The army is a mess of poo, conspiracy and intrigue. And yes, my African American roommates didn't like me. they gave me a blanket party where whey whipped me with coat hangers, and one tried to burn me with cigarettes. They then went to the CO to complain that I attacked them and since they had rank, I had to go before the CO. Oh yeah, I had bruises from choking, so the complaint went nowhere.
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Yeah, I actually was called in to the CO's office and he laughed his ass off. Yeah, I have been to the DEI people for another reason, and they flat up told me that DEI is not for Caucasians and that they were unable to help me. So no, I don't care for DEI even though now I qualify for it. I was thinking of trying to join the DEI board at my work but think that my opinions may get me into trouble.
 
MinnesotaBrant said:
Yeah, I actually was called in to the CO's office and he laughed his ass off. Yeah, I have been to the DEI people for another reason, and they flat up told me that DEI is not for Caucasians and that they were unable to help me. So no, I don't care for DEI even though now I qualify for it. I was thinking of trying to join the DEI board at my work but think that my opinions may get me into trouble.
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I was rated as unable to deploy due to death threats which is quite a good gig if you can get it. I kept my mouth shut and lived I guess
 
...you do realize it's not the universities themselves getting US funding, it's research projects being run in them?
 
arthwollipot said:
Please don't ignore the other part of my post.

How many other overseas academic projects does the US fund? Should the US pull funding from all of them?
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If they consider our funds "interference," then, sure, we can happily oblige them by withdrawing our support. So far, only your country has complained, as far as I know.
 
jt512 said:
If they consider our funds "interference," then, sure, we can happily oblige them by withdrawing our support. So far, only your country has complained, as far as I know.
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Thank you for your contribution, but it is not an answer to my questions.
 
I suddenly remembered an interview I saw on a news program some time in the late 80s or early 90s.
The guy being interviewed was practically a walking pile of cliches. Long scraggly hair, scruffy beard, trucker cap, white tank top, standing in front of his run-down trailer. He was complaining about how he couldn't get a good job because companies would only hire minorities because they were afraid of getting sued for discrimination.
Same song, new verse. The only difference now is there's a convenient three letter word to focus on in the lyrics.
"It's not my fault I can't get a job. It's "their" fault for taking the jobs."
 
Armitage72 said:
I suddenly remembered an interview I saw on a news program some time in the late 80s or early 90s.
The guy being interviewed was practically a walking pile of cliches. Long scraggly hair, scruffy beard, trucker cap, white tank top, standing in front of his run-down trailer. He was complaining about how he couldn't get a good job because companies would only hire minorities because they were afraid of getting sued for discrimination.
Same song, new verse. The only difference now is there's a convenient three letter word to focus on in the lyrics.
"It's not my fault I can't get a job. It's "their" fault for taking the jobs."
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I don't know about the poor white guy you denigrate, but I know several white guys with PhD's who in the past several years—the post-George-Floyd, peak-DEI era—haven't been able to get university jobs because the positions were given to less-qualified minorities or women.
 
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jt512 said:
It was precisely an answer. Just, apparently, not the one you were fishing for.
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It was nothing like an answer. How many universities have programmes that are partly funded by the USA?
jt512 said:
I don't know about the poor white guy you denigrate, but I know several white guys with PhD's who in the past several years—the post-George-Floyd, peak-DEI era—haven't been able to get university jobs because the positions were given to less-qualified minorities or women.
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You know, these claims of yours are getting less and less believable. I'm pretty sure you know no such people.
 
arthwollipot said:
It was nothing like an answer. How many universities have programmes that are partly funded by the USA?
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You asked: "How many other overseas academic projects does the US fund? Should the US pull funding from all of them?"

I was answering the second question, obviously.

I don't know the answer to the first question. It's irrelevant, since only Australia is calling our funding "interference."
arthwollipot said:
You know, these claims of yours are getting less and less believable. I'm pretty sure you know no such people.
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You're pretty sure of a lot of things about which you are a total ignoramous.
 
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