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Trump's Second Term

a_unique_person said:
Trump's whining is, as usual, I'll informed ignorance.
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A better way of looking at fairness of aid given to Ukraine rather than in absolute terms is by proportion of GDP. Denmark on this basis is the top donor (1.83% GDP)and the US (0.35%) is way down the list (16th). UK gave 0.45%, Germany 0.37%, Canada 0.39%,

Denmark donated the most significant percentage of its 2021 gross domestic product (GDP) to help Ukraine over the period between January 24, 2022, and June 30, 2024. Denmark contributed 1.83 percent of its GDP in bilateral aid, followed by Estonia with 1.66 percent of GDP. Besides the Nordic and Baltic countries, Poland donated the largest share of GDP. Western countries sent aid to Ukraine in view of the Russian invasion that began in February 2022.

In absolute terms, the largest bilateral aid allocations to Ukraine were made by the United States, at over 75 billion euros as of June 30, 2024. European Union (EU) institutions, such as the European Commission and the European Council, allocated the second-largest amount of assistance, at almost 40 billion euros. The United Kingdom (UK) was the fourth-leading source of bilateral aid.
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Bilateral aid to Ukraine by country GDP 2025| Statista

Denmark and Estonia had the highest ratio of bilateral support to Ukraine to donor GDP as of February 2025. Poland ranked eighth by GDP share of aid to Ukraine.
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www.ifw-kiel.de

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
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Andy_Ross said:
We have a thread for Ukraine
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My post wasn't about Ukraine but about the US / Trump view on whether Europe was pulling its weight, and US / European relationships. US support for Ukraine in relative terms isn't greater than Europe's; just as US international foreign aid is not particularly noteworthy in relative terms. I suspect this represents a broad view in Trumpian politics. Just as it is unreasonable to expect billionaires to contribute more in tax than anyone else, so the US should not be expected to contribute more in aid than anyone else (despite the fact that it is larger and richer both in terms of GNI and per capita than other countries). Just as because billionaires pay more in absolute terms this should entitle them to exemptions so they can pay less in relative terms, so it appears because the US aid is high in absolute terms, this justifies giving less in relative terms.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Technically, the order to rename the Gulf only extends to the continental shelf of the US, not actually into the middle of the Gulf.
Google could make that clear without violating the Order - but they won't because they think it's easier to just acquiesce and wait for 4 years.
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And technically the order only applies to US government agencies.
 
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Planigale said:
A better way of looking at fairness of aid given to Ukraine rather than in absolute terms is by proportion of GDP. Denmark on this basis is the top donor (1.83% GDP)and the US (0.35%) is way down the list (16th). UK gave 0.45%, Germany 0.37%, Canada 0.39%,


www.statista.com

Bilateral aid to Ukraine by country GDP 2025| Statista

Denmark and Estonia had the highest ratio of bilateral support to Ukraine to donor GDP as of February 2025. Poland ranked eighth by GDP share of aid to Ukraine.
www.statista.com www.statista.com
www.ifw-kiel.de

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
www.ifw-kiel.de www.ifw-kiel.de
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The question under discussion was whether Europe could provide the needed level of military aid, should the US pull out. For that, absolute numbers are indeed what matter.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That is precisely what MAGA voted for! In just about all their nonsensical ramblings, this is a core theme - Trump running the USA like his (successful - haha!) businesses. And then ignoring everyone who warned them that all of Trump's businesses always fail spectacularly and at everyone else's expense, not his. They've seen him on "reality" TV being "successful"; don't need no more convincing he's their messiah.
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Added to your post- Trump's whole approach to the serious business of law and government is to cater exclusively to his followers, who don't want those actual things so much as they want to be entertained by what can be made to pass for either.
 
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KDLarsen said:
Wouldn't you know it, the speech in which the sofa king complained about EU being too obsessed with disinformation and misinformation, he was busy telling porkies.

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‘Thought crime’ and cancelled elections: how do JD Vance’s claims about Europe stand up?

US vice-president told litany of tales of Europe’s rights infringements in speech to leaders at defence gathering
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On a more sober reflection of that speech, it's just sofa lover making explicit Trampy's policy of stabbing his friends and allies in the back in order to try and win kudos with countries who will never be anything other than enemies to the US.
 
How long till it's all smashed up? Do we need another pandemic?
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considering how poorly thought out this government dismantling has been, you have to imagine some of the negative effects of it are going to be felt pretty early in his term and getting progressively worse.

all of these departments stopping operations and not having a budget for a week is bad. how about 3 months later? plus, it’s tax season. wonder how the irs is doing, and when do they start hacking that apart?
 
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