Upcoming riots from the elections: how bad will they be

[MinnesotaBrant]

Riots will probably be a thing for a while no matter who wins. Don't worry, lots of civilized countries have riots and they all do OK more or less.

 

[plague311]

Do you honestly think that the neverending refrain that Trump is going to be a fascist dictator, that if Trump wins it's the end of democracy, that Trump is going to destroy all of our rights, that Trump is an existential threat to democracy, and so forth have no impact at all?

What impact have they had and on whom? What violence has been incited? Who has been hurt? Furthermore, what part of it is wrong? He, himself, said he was going to be a dictator on day one, and people that worked in his administration drew up a game plan to do it.

So you have two pieces to the homework, show actual violence from the claims of the left, and show how any of them are false. Trumps claims of stolen elections was based on nothing but lies.

 

[Emily's Cat]

What impact have they had and on whom? What violence has been incited? Who has been hurt? Furthermore, what part of it is wrong? He, himself, said he was going to be a dictator on day one, and people that worked in his administration drew up a game plan to do it.

So you have two pieces to the homework, show actual violence from the claims of the left, and show how any of them are false. Trumps claims of stolen elections was based on nothing but lies.

Or I can just wait and see, rather than trying to magic up a way to provide proof now for something in the future. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Me too. Possibly a contraction of 'snowflake retard'?

Sherkeu probably forgot the y after the e.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I don't disagree that if Harris wins, this is likely to be repeated.

But I think you're willfully ignoring the behavior of progressives - not necessarily DNC and Dem politicians, but the supporters. Give it some serious consideration, varwoche. Think about all of the various riots that occurred early in the pandemic - it wasn't right-wing people driving those, and regardless of the media spin used, they weren't peaceful protests. They involved a significant amount of assault, arson, vandalism, harassment, and threats. Think about the demonstrations occurring on college campuses and other areas over the last several months, the pro-hamas and pro-palestine events. Those weren't right-wing driven actions, they were packed to the gills with left-wing progressives, and they haven't been limited to signs and calls to stop engaging in war. They've involved harassment and threats made toward US citizens of Jewish heritage, interfering with their ability to go about their lives. They've involve vandalism and destruction of public property. FFS, yesterday, they involved replacing the US flag with palestinian flags after the march was prevented from storming the capital!
Don't stick you head in the sand. On this very site, there have been numerous posts suggesting that if Trump wins, citizens should prepare to enact violence against the government in order to prevent the tyranny that those posters believe will result.

If Harris wins, there's a high likelihood that right-wing protests and violence will occur. If Trump wins, there's a high likelihood that left-wing protests and violence will occur. If you think the risk is limited to only one side, you're ignoring what's actually going on in the world and on this forum.

There is an alternative explanation. I like you varwoche, I think you're a cool dude, and I don't want you to think this is something I actually believe that you think. The alternative is that those people insisting that the risk is only one-sided, that the only risk is from the right-wing... are people who believe that any violence enacted by the left-wing is necessary and justified violence, and so they discount it from consideration.

Why are you trying to tar all of us on the (mild) left with the same brush as a tiny minority of anti-semites who come out and declare jihad every time a jewish person does anything?

Oh wait, it's for the same reason the nazis equated everybody on the left with Marinus van der Lubbe or every jew with Herschel Grynszpan. It's to demonise your opponents by association without ever having to go to the trouble of understanding their positions or putting forward counter arguments.

The simple fact of the matter is that the likes of Mickey Johnson are far more anti-semitic than the average person protesting the genocide in Gaza. Mass murdering the jews during the "end times" is baked into their religion after all.

 

[Craig4]

I dunno. I'm not taking bets. Right now, both sides of the political spectrum are riling up their bases with claims that the other side spells the end of democracy. Both sides are guilty of fanning the flames, and nothing good can come of it.

The Trump side actually betrayed the nation and attacked our democracy. We all saw it. I seem to remember wide coverage of an attack by a domestic enemy of the United States on our Constitution.

 

[bruto]

The Trump side actually betrayed the nation and attacked our democracy. We all saw it. I seem to remember wide coverage of an attack by a domestic enemy of the United States on our Constitution.

How inflammatory to remember out loud.

When my stepson was little, he would shrug off errors and offenses with "that was then, I'm different now." It was half true at least, but he grew up too. Some never do.

 

[plague311]

Or I can just wait and see, rather than trying to magic up a way to provide proof now for something in the future. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I mean, you said "have no impact at all", not "will have any impact at all". So I didn't know you were talking about **** that will happen in the future. You implied it was going on right now but when I asked for proof instead of saying "I have none, I was just pulling it out of my ass to imply something that I have no evidence is true" you're now saying we're looking into the future.

Neat. I noticed you also conveniently ignored the rest of my post. Spot on work, as per usual.

 

[varwoche]

I don't disagree that if Harris wins, this is likely to be repeated.

This is a serious problem. It's important to point out serious problems.

But I think you're willfully ignoring the behavior of progressives - not necessarily DNC and Dem politicians, but the supporters. Give it some serious consideration, varwoche. Think about all of the various riots that occurred early in the pandemic

At no point have I suggested that lefties are immune to violent reaction. So no, I reject the notion that I'm ignoring anything.

It's possible there are lefties who would react violently to a legitimate Trump victory. But alas, what took place last time poisoned the well. This risk is caused to a large extent by Trump's horrific behavior. And just because that risk exists, that's not a good reason to be silent on past and present GOP attempts to subvert democracy.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Why are you trying to tar all of us on the (mild) left with the same brush as a tiny minority of anti-semites who come out and declare jihad every time a jewish person does anything?

Mild left <> progressives

 

[plague311]

Mild left <> progressives

Funny you don't hold MAGA and conservative to the same standard. Must be a "centrist that totally sits on both sides" thing.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I mean, you said "have no impact at all", not "will have any impact at all". So I didn't know you were talking about **** that will happen in the future.

The entire context of the thread is UPCOMING riots from the election.

 

[plague311]

The entire context of the thread is UPCOMING riots from the election.

Whatever you say. By the way, Trump JUST said today that Harris becoming POTUS will bring on WWIII. What are your fencing sitting, totally centrist, not at all Republican thoughts on that? Do you think they "have any impact"?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Funny you don't hold MAGA and conservative to the same standard. Must be a "centrist that totally sits on both sides" thing.

In what way do you believe that I do NOT consider there to be a distinction between far right fringe groups and conservatives?

Seriously, I've about worn out my fingertips trying to reinforce that most conservatives are NOT fringy idiots, and being repeatedly told by you and your ilk that not only are ALL CONSERVATIVES evil bloodsucking bastard fascists... but so are centrists and independents who aren't slavering with hatred toward conservatives.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Whatever you say. By the way, Trump JUST said today that Harris becoming POTUS will bring on WWIII. What are your fencing sitting, totally centrist, not at all Republican thoughts on that? Do you think they "have any impact"?

I really wish you would stop making **** up in your hyper-partisan brain and then pretending like your imagination is real.

Yes, I do think they have an impact. FFS, at no point have I even remotely suggested that if Harris wins there will NOT be riots and violence. Pretty sure I have been clear that I completely expect there to be riots.

You're the one who seems to think that the risk of violence is one-sided, not me.

 

[plague311]

In what way do you believe that I do NOT consider there to be a distinction between far right fringe groups and conservatives?

Seriously, I've about worn out my fingertips trying to reinforce that most conservatives are NOT fringy idiots, and being repeatedly told by you and your ilk that not only are ALL CONSERVATIVES evil bloodsucking bastard fascists... but so are centrists and independents who aren't slavering with hatred toward conservatives.

Jesus mother ******* Christ, you wear out your fingertips acting like both sides are the same and they're not. This has been explained to you so many ******* times that you're either not able to grasp it or you don't want to, either way it's ignorance.

There is not one single conservative that openly shouts down the MAGA group, is there? There are many Dems that shout down the extreme left, and have been for a long time. So give me a list of these "so called" non-fringy idiots that are chastising MAGA and the movement. Go ahead, I'll wait. My "ilk" and I have also worn out our fingertips laughing at you perpetually saying how centrist and **** you are while doing this same thing you're doing now. Acting like both parties are overcome by the fringes when that isn't reality at all. Just one group is, that's it.

To be honest, I don't see how anyone can avoid hating on conservatives because they're all cheering on the guy who is ******* literally saying he's going to be a dictator on day one. But here the **** we are again, explaining to Emily's Cat for the 9,000th time that the GOP IS MAGA. There is no separation, meanwhile there isn't an "extreme" progressive in congress that I can tell.

 

[plague311]

I really wish you would stop making **** up in your hyper-partisan brain and then pretending like your imagination is real.

Yes, I do think they have an impact. FFS, at no point have I even remotely suggested that if Harris wins there will NOT be riots and violence. Pretty sure I have been clear that I completely expect there to be riots.

You're the one who seems to think that the risk of violence is one-sided, not me.

No ****, because if Harris doesn't win I don't think there will be riots. There weren't when Hillary didn't win, but there certainly ******* was when Trump didn't win.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

There is not one single conservative that openly shouts down the MAGA group, is there? There are many Dems that shout down the extreme left, and have been for a long time. So give me a list of these "so called" non-fringy idiots that are chastising MAGA and the movement. Go ahead, I'll wait.

There are a lot of conservatives who oppose Trump and the MAGA for which he stands. Among them:

• Mitt Romney
• Jeff Flake
• Liz Cheney
• Adam Kinzinger
• Paul Ryan
• Chris Shays
• Joe Walsh
• Chris Christie
• Asa Hutchinson
• Geoff Duncan
• Michael Steele
• J Michael Luttig
• Mark Esper
• Chuck Hagel
• John Bolton
• Cassidy Hutchinson
• Miles Taylor

To be honest, I don't see how anyone can avoid hating on conservatives because they're all cheering on the guy who is ******* literally saying he's going to be a dictator on day one. But here the **** we are again, explaining to Emily's Cat for the 9,000th time that the GOP IS MAGA. There is no separation, meanwhile there isn't an "extreme" progressive in congress that I can tell.

The highlighted is true, but it doesn't mean all conservatives are MAGA. What it means is that US conservatives no longer have a party that accepts them. To put it a bit more accurately, today's Democratic party may be more accepting of conservatives than is today's Republican party.

 

[dudalb]

There are a lot of conservatives who oppose Trump and the MAGA for which he stands. Among them:

• Mitt Romney
• Jeff Flake
• Liz Cheney
• Adam Kinzinger
• Paul Ryan
• Chris Shays
• Joe Walsh
• Chris Christie
• Asa Hutchinson
• Geoff Duncan
• Michael Steele
• J Michael Luttig
• Mark Esper
• Chuck Hagel
• John Bolton
• Cassidy Hutchinson
• Miles Taylor

The highlighted is true, but it doesn't mean all conservatives are MAGA. What it means is that US conservatives no longer have a party that accepts them. To put it a bit more accurately, today's Democratic party may be more accepting of conservatives than is today's Republican party.

And some conservative writers have been merciless on Trump. George Will comes to mind.
The claim that no conservatives who have opposed Trump and Maga is pure BS, frankly. It is as bad as the crap that MAGA puts out.

 

[dudalb]

That group will do what they do irrespective of the outcome of the election. They are not part of the Democratic party and are every bit as critical of the Dems as they are of the Republicans. They are in the classic "both parties are the same" B.S. mindset of the very far left.

They don't support the Dems - they hate the Dems with every bit as much vitriol as they hate the GOP, if not more. They view the GOP as enemies, but they view the Dems as hypocrite traitors to the cause.

Say what you will, but very few Dems are going to support a group that vandalizes a statue by graffitiing it with "Hamas is coming" and then burns an American flag and then replaces it on the flagpole with a Palestinian flag (as happened yesterday).That group of protestors has about zero influence withing the Dem party, in stark contrast to the Jan. 6 people and their supporters who just about control the GOP right now.

All this means is that to those protestors, the election is irrelevant. They probably don't even recognize it as a real election. Which means that the results of the election are equally irrelevant. They are the fringe, locked out out of any real political party power in the U.S.

THIS.
Sad think about yesterday's protest is they damaged the Palestnian cause in the US. A lot of people who do not like the foortage they were seeing from Gaza just got turned off by that crap.
Once again, the Palestinians get the shaft because of really bad leadership.