Cancel culture IRL

[smartcooky]

And yet you'll find references to "Wuhan Coronavirus" on the WHO website in 2020. It's almost as if they don't think it's anywhere nearly as bad as racial slurs.

Nice goalpost move: I said "Wuhan Flu" or "China virus". Sorry, not sucked in by your failed strawman attempt.

Google search: "Wuhan Flu" site:who.int
No results found for "Wuhan Flu" site:who.int.

Google search "Chinese Communist Party Virus" site:who.int
No results found for "Chinese Communist Party Virus" site:who.int.

Google search" "China virus" site:who.int
20 results - every single one if them criticism of others for using that term

 

[d4m10n]

He knew what he was doing--mocking an understandable concern about unwittingly stoking xenophobic stigma as "political correctness".

This strikes me as mind-reading at best. He could well have been mocking the sort of lefty folks who'd protect the CCP from criticism while laying into heteropatriarchal capitalists for bringing 9/11 on themselves.

Nice goalpost move

Are you saying that it is sometimes okay to use the place name, but sometimes it's just like the n-word?

 

[mumblethrax]

This strikes me as mind-reading at best. He could well have been mocking the sort of lefty folks who'd protect the CCP from criticism while laying into heteropatriarchal capitalists for bringing 9/11 on themselves.

He told us this is why he did it. This is just so disingenuous.

 

[d4m10n]

He told us this is why he did it.

Zubieta mentioned political correctness, not "xenophobic stigma."

You're reading that part in, while ignoring his stated position on sinophobia.

 

[mumblethrax]

He mentioned political correctness, not "xenophobic stigma."

You're reading that part in.

I didn't attribute that to him, so no, that's not me reading into anything. That's why the WHO recommended that professionals (academics, researchers, journalists, etc) not use "Wuhan coronavirus" anymore. That's also why those same professionals did stop calling it the Wuhan virus. Well, that and they had no reason to anymore.

If your reaction to this is to mock the recommendation as "political correctness", congratulations on reaching the limits of my charity.

 

[smartcooky]

Are you saying that it is sometimes okay to use the place name, but sometimes it's just like the n-word?

Where are you finding your endless supply of straw?

 

[phiwum]

So I ask again, why did Syracuse suspend this professor but not the one who made vile comments about 9/11 being an attack on the patriarchy and ( in my view) at least somewhat justified?

In what context were her comments made?

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[d4m10n]

I didn't attribute that to him, so no, that's not me reading into anything. That's why the WHO recommended that professionals (academics, researchers, journalists, etc) not use "Wuhan coronavirus" anymore.

Because the WHO said it we can safely assume everyone must comply or else get the sack? That's some politically correct nonsense right there.

 

[Stout]

I know TDS can lead to some wildly entertaining rants but it appears, at least according to this study that the whole naming of the virus may not be as important as some people would have us believe.

In conclusion, results provide no evidence that virus naming impacted individual’s attitudes toward Chinese individuals or perceptions of the virus, with the majority of analyses finding strong support for the null hypothesis. Therefore, based on the current evidence, it appears that the importance given to naming infectious diseases might be inflated.

So....does anybody remember when the WHo came out and recommended against countries closing their borders to travelers who had recently been to China ? No worries, Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Maybe the WHO needs to spend a little less time getting their panties in a knot about naming viruses and a little more on how to stop a deadly disease from spreading throughout the world.

 

[mumblethrax]

Because the WHO said it we can safely assume everyone must comply or else get the sack? That's some politically correct nonsense right there.

No, because the WHO said it we can safely assume that this is the thing being mocked as "politically correct".

You're making one poor inference after another.

 

[Stout]

In what context were her comments made?

I'm going to assume you've looked it up by now.

It was an anti white, anti heterosexual, anti male, anti capitaist and anti American word salad of a social media post ( read: typical ) on the 20th anniversary of the 911 attacks.

It was also extra funny because the attackers came from one of the most heteronormative, patriarchal and capitalistic societies on the planet so the motives being ascribed to the attackers are so far removed from reality that now, whenever I hear the word Syracuse clown music starts playing in my head.

 

[d4m10n]

No, because the WHO said it we can safely assume that this is the thing being mocked as "politically correct".

Or...Zubieta was mocking any number of other facets of political correctness, some of which are much more closely related to the CCP as a political entity.

 

[smartcooky]

Or...Zubieta was mocking any number of other facets of political correctness, some of which are much more closely related to the CCP as a political entity.

And if that was what he was actually doing, instead of doing what he is paid to do - teach chemistry, that that is very unprofessional of him, so his suspension is still justified.

 

[angrysoba]

You've literally no way of knowing this to be true. It could be he's being deliberately provocative in order to get a classroom discussion going, trying to discover who is willing to go a bit beyond introductory chem in order to argue against the lab leak hypothesis. It could be he's doing exactly what my Trump-loving uncle is doing on Facebook, that is, signaling political affiliation. We could assume the latter (as you evidently do) but in an academic setting, we ought to err on the side of academic freedom, for the reasons given by FIRE.

We DO know because he had told us. The one person claiming his “joke” was to begin a classroom discussion about gain of function research because of his supposed excellent qualifications to discuss this is YOU. Good job you were not there to undermine his case by making up excuses for him.

 

[phiwum]

I'm going to assume you've looked it up by now.

It was an anti white, anti heterosexual, anti male, anti capitaist and anti American word salad of a social media post ( read: typical ) on the 20th anniversary of the 911 attacks.

It was also extra funny because the attackers came from one of the most heteronormative, patriarchal and capitalistic societies on the planet so the motives being ascribed to the attackers are so far removed from reality that now, whenever I hear the word Syracuse clown music starts playing in my head.

Okay. A social media post is different than a course syllabus. The latter is an unwarranted injection of politics (broadly speaking) in one official duties. The former is not.

That's a big difference that is relevant to Syracuse treating each differently.

I like academic freedom so I do wonder if suspension was warranted for the chemistry prof, but I'm not bothered by some official correction in his case.



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[angrysoba]

Okay. A social media post is different than a course syllabus. The latter is an unwarranted injection of politics (broadly speaking) in one official duties. The former is not.

That's a big difference that is relevant to Syracuse treating each differently.

I like academic freedom so I do wonder if suspension was warranted for the chemistry prof, but I'm not bothered by some official correction in his case.



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This is where I am. It’s probably an over reaction to suspend the professor, and I think it would have been enough for someone to tell him. “Look! Covid-19 is serious and this is facetious. Take out the jokes and reserve that for your seminars.”

Then it would be a matter of whether he takes note of that or insists on inserting jokes into parts of the syllabus that have nothing to do with his teaching. If he continued to do it then, yeah, some PD training would probably be in order, then suspension if it still didn’t stop.

 

[mumblethrax]

Or...Zubieta was mocking any number of other facets of political correctness, some of which are much more closely related to the CCP as a political entity.

The only "facet of political correctness" he could be mocking by intentionally using inflammatory names for COVID-19 is the one where it's called COVID-19 instead of being named in accordance with our rich, cherished history of naming diseases after the place where they originate (never mind that Spanish flu didn't originate in Spain, and was never thought to have originated in Spain).

You don't need to work this hard to say that SU overreacted.

 

[d4m10n]

The only "facet of political correctness" he could be mocking by intentionally using inflammatory names for COVID-19 is the one where it's called COVID-19 instead of being named in accordance with our rich, cherished history of naming diseases after the place where they originate...

He could have been pushing back at the politically correct notion that it's wrong to cast blame (or even suspicion) on the CCP, because the sort of folks who promote political correctness have also treated lab leak talk as taboo.

Alternatively, I suppose he could be a crypto-sinophobe.

Other possibilities may exist.

 

[smartcooky]

Originally Posted by Stout
I'm going to assume you've looked it up by now.

It was an anti white, anti heterosexual, anti male, anti capitaist and anti American word salad of a social media post ( read: typical ) on the 20th anniversary of the 911 attacks.

It was also extra funny because the attackers came from one of the most heteronormative, patriarchal and capitalistic societies on the planet

Agree 100%. How does that old saying go... it is better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you are an idiot, than to open it and remove any doubt?

All she has really achieved is to show the whole world what a totally ignorant moron she is.

Well done her!

 

[smartcooky]

He could have been pushing back at the politically correct notion that it's wrong to cast blame (or even suspicion) on the CCP, because the sort of folks who promote political correctness have also treated lab leak talk as taboo..

And again

NOT IN A BLOODY CHEMISTRY SYLLABUS!!

I spent several years as I high school teacher. I can promise you that if I had started making political statements in a History or Engineering lesson plan or syllabus, I would have been fired, on the spot; given the DCM.... and that was over twenty years ago!!