Hermain Cain dies after month long battle with COVID-19

[Giordano]

If it was a 2 week camp, it actually sounds like a good idea. Just keep them there a bit longer maybe.All of those age groups have less chance of dying than the flu.
Whoever brought it to camp, didnt give it to an older population.

eta:
the studies I have seen have very low transmission below 10 years old.

That would only work if everyone was sick on day 1. In real life some infected people would past it in to uninflected people over time, resetting the infectious window. Some campers will first be experiencing the infection just as they are being let out of camp.

Death is not the only serious risk. And I doubt many parents would feel assured “Well the chance of dying is less than that of the flu.” I would not send my kid to a camp if there was a siginificant chance of them catching the flu.

The transmission issue has been addressed upthread.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

However, I hope we do realize that keeping kids OUT of school is a bigger danger for society.

The virus is not the only factor here.I am positive that this virus lockdown has shaved a few years off of my own life...and i have not caught it yet.

How so?

 

[acbytesla]

Sure.

But kids transmit less. We have a lot of other country data now that shows kids in school isn't a big risk. There will be risks no matter what.

The evidence doesn't support this. In fact, there is evidence that while young people are at less danger, they in fact transmit more.

However, I hope we do realize that keeping kids OUT of school is a bigger danger for society. The virus is not the only factor here.

While I agree that the virus is not the only factor, I do not believe anyone can say that keeping kids out of school is a bigger danger. I don't think we know the answer.

 

[JoeMorgue]

However, I hope we do realize that keeping kids OUT of school is a bigger danger for society. The virus is not the only factor here.

I am positive that this virus lockdown has shaved a few years off of my own life...and i have not caught it yet.

Oh this should be good...

 

[Beelzebuddy]

How so?

He feels like he's been inside for years.

 

[Matthew Best]

But kids transmit less. We have a lot of other country data now that shows kids in school isn't a big risk.

Evidence?

However, I hope we do realize that keeping kids OUT of school is a bigger danger for society.

Evidence? Method?

I am positive that this virus lockdown has shaved a few years off of my own life...and i have not caught it yet.

How did you work this out?

 

[The Don]

Interestingly, here in Wales we now have negative excess deaths as it seems that a combination of better hygiene, social distancing and fewer people out and about has resulted in a significant fall in deaths once Coronavirus started to be controlled.

Seems that lockdown is adding years, not shaving them off. OTOH unchecked Coronavirus in the community will take years off your life statistically.

 

[alfaniner]

How did you work this out?

I'm assuming that means it's been harrowing and stressful.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

But kids transmit less. We have a lot of other country data now that shows kids in school isn't a big risk. There will be risks no matter what.

Depends on how prevalent the virus is in society in the first place, I suppose. But yes, the experience from Norway, too, is kids are far less likely to catch Covid, and far less likely to pass it on.

 

[newyorkguy]

There also appears to be a huge difference between the way this pandemic has been managed in Norway and in the United States. Two starkly different profiles.

 

[shemp]

Interestingly, here in Wales we now have negative excess deaths as it seems that a combination of better hygiene, social distancing and fewer people out and about has resulted in a significant fall in deaths once Coronavirus started to be controlled.

Seems that lockdown is adding years, not shaving them off. OTOH unchecked Coronavirus in the community will take years off your life statistically.

This is actually due to an increase in the number of zombies.

 

[alfaniner]

Is Cain going to get the lying-in-state treatment that John McCain and Representative Lewis did?

 

[acbytesla]

Is Cain going to get the lying-in-state treatment that John McCain and Representative Lewis did?

Lying in state in the United States is the rare honor either authorized by a congressional resolution or approved by the congressional leadership, when permission is granted by survivors,[10] to a deceased member of government (or former member) whereby his or her remains are placed in the rotunda of the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C. for public viewing. The casket is guarded by members of the armed forces. By regulation and custom, only Presidents, military commanders, and members of Congress are granted the honor of lying in state.

John McCain served in the military for 14 years and was awarded the Purple Heart, the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Bronze Star, the Silver Star and served in Congress and the US Senate for 35 years.

John Lewis was a Freedom Rider, a Civil Rights icon and served in Congrees for 3 decades.

In contrast, Herman Cain was the CEO for Godfather's Pizza where he closed 200 restaurants and fired over a thousand employees. Yeah, that qualifies to lie in State.

 

[Stacyhs]

Depends on how prevalent the virus is in society in the first place, I suppose. But yes, the experience from Norway, too, is kids are far less likely to catch Covid, and far less likely to pass it on.

Are they actually less likely to catch it or just less likely to show symptoms thus not be tested?

I find it counterintuitive that kids would be less likely to pass it on as they are more likely not to take precautions. The Georgia camp case would indicate that they do transmit it to others.

 

[Trebuchet]

In contrast, Herman Cain was the CEO for Godfather's Pizza where he closed 200 restaurants and fired over a thousand employees. Yeah, that qualifies to lie in State.

And sexually harassed the staff. That's gotta count for something!

 

[acbytesla]

And sexually harassed the staff. That's gotta count for something!

You got me there. Maybe Trump can award him with the Presidential Medal.

 

[newyorkguy]

The decision to begin reopening schools in Norway this past May was apparently not without controversy. Many parents would have preferred they stay closed. Below is a quote from Medical X Press

Norwegian children who have returned to classrooms and nurseries have done so under strict new health guidelines. Children must be kept in small groups that do not physically interact with each other, physical distancing measures have been introduced and hygiene is stressed. link to article

A major difference is, by mid-May when Norway was reopening schools, they had already succeeded in 'flattening the curve.' If the United States had gotten the same results I'm sure more people would be in favor of opening schools. Well, everybody's in favor of it, the question is how? I have read the comments from school administrators. Norway kept children in small groups and enforced social distancing. Many U.S. school systems are too crowded to be able to do that. It's easy for someone with no role to play to insist, 'They should open the schools!' It's different when you're part of the staff that has to decide how to do it safely.

 

[Giordano]

The decision to begin reopening schools in Norway this past May was apparently not without controversy. Many parents would have preferred they stay closed. Below is a quote from Medical X Press


A major difference is, by mid-May when Norway was reopening schools, they had already succeeded in 'flattening the curve.' If the United States had gotten the same results I'm sure more people would be in favor of opening schools. Well, everybody's in favor of it, the question is how? I have read the comments from school administrators. Norway kept children in small groups and enforced social distancing. Many U.S. school systems are too crowded to be able to do that. It's easy for someone with no role to play to insist, 'They should open the schools!' It's different when you're part of the staff that has to decide how to do it safely.

Exactly!

Given we know children can be infected and can infect others I cannot imagine a more efficient way to spread the disease throughout the whole population than to reopen physical schools. Have hundreds and thousands of kids from different families come together in one school every day, in close quarters, then send them back to their respective families breeding whatever viruses they may have exchanged there.

The fact that young children tend to have minor symptoms, if any, makes it worse! They may spread the disease extensively before anyone knows what is going on. The lack of close attention to personal hygiene by most young children is a further problem. I find it hard to believe a 7 year old will consistently and properly wear a mask, wash their hands, maintain social distancing, etc.

I fully understand the factors pushing toward school reopening. But given the current infectious rate in the USA, and the lack of the extensive resources at schools needed to reopen safely, the current proposals will inevitably lead to a disaster. It is just epidemiology 101 and simple math.

 

[dann]

This is what happened in in a local flare up Denmark when schools reopened, cautiously, after the virus had been hammered down and the 'dance' had begun:

Hjørring Kommune hårdt ramt
De seneste uger har Hjørring Kommune været hårdt ramt af coronavirus.
På plejehjemmet Vendelbocentret er 41 ansatte og beboere konstateret smittet med virusset. Flere er dog efterfølgende blevet erklæret raske, dog er tre beboere døde, mens de har været smittet med virusset.
Derudover blev der fundet virus blandt elever på tre forskellige skoler
Tredje minkfarm i Nordjylland ramt af corona (DR.dk, July 1, 2020)

Hjørring Municipality impacted hard
In recent weeks, Hjørring Municipality has been impacted hard by coronavirus.
At the nursing home Vendelsbocentre, 41 employees and residents have been tested positive for the virus.Several have been declared cured since then, but three residents died while infected.
In addition to this, in three different schools the virus was found in students.
A third minkfarm in Northern Jutland hit by corona

ETA: Hiliting of the sentence about the nursing home because of the next post, 220.

 

[dann]

But kids transmit less. We have a lot of other country data now that shows kids in school isn't a big risk. There will be risks no matter what.

Show us that data, please!

However, I hope we do realize that keeping kids OUT of school is a bigger danger for society. The virus is not the only factor here.

I am positive that this virus lockdown has shaved a few years off of my own life...and i have not caught it yet.

Jokes aside, that was the argument I heard from Swedes. I haven't heard any stories from Denmark about children being put in any "bigger danger" because of the weeks they spent in lockdown. If you are thinking of all the children in the USA who depend on the meals they get at school, that is a disgrace in and of itself that should (and could) be taken care of with or without a pandemic.

Protect the elderly and those with health conditions. Let everyone else go on with reasonable safety measures.

The way to protect the elderly is to hammer down the virus. As soon as the virus is allowed to spread, it gets into nursing homes. How do you imagine the elderly can be protected otherwise? Some things can be done to make it a little less likely for asymptomatic employees at nursing homes to bring the virus into the facilities, but they would have to take the same precautions as they do to protect the frail old guy in the White House, i.e. everybody tested all the time, including the random tests that have now been introduced.
Do you think they will? (Herman Cain might have been safe if they had allowed him to stay as a resident at the White House.)

ETA: Seen post 219 about the Danish nursing home.