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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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Vixen said:
It's part of a picture of someone who glorifies violence.

What do we know about Raff? He attacked a girl with scissors in Bari. He was caught watching animal porn at school. He dablled in acid and cocaine. He posted a menacing picture of himself on FB dressed as a mad scientist with meat cleaver in his hand. He worships Marilyn Manson and took pictures of Manson burning the Bible as part of his act. He has a large knife collection, including fetish knives costing large sums of money. He claims a prison warder threatened to leave him in a pool of blood (a projection of what he did to Mez?) In the questura he was overheard teaching Knox how to say 'I spit on your dead relative;s grave'.

Charming chap, I'm sure.

More recently he joined an extreme closed FB group in which he advised other members the best way to murder someone.
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Raffaele probably is a charming chap. You, on the other hand, are a bald faced liar. Perhaps you don't bother referencing court records but the rest of us do. We've all read Volturno's testimony. He went to investigate and found no record of such an attack.
 
Planigale said:
You mean Sollecito had a Trump tattoo! Definitely guilty. Do you actually know what the tattoo is or do you just assume that it must be the most evil tattoo?


Do you know how many people bought a Manson record, how many people have tattoos? This is not evidence of anything.
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It is if you are a detective who has to urgently find a savage murderer, who could be a serial one. This is where profiling comes in.


Bear in mind, this has nothing to do with evidence, but everything to do with building a picture of the type of person who would do such a thing. From past research, it is almost invariably a sociopath, perhaps under the influence of drugs, with a history of aberrant behaviour, which can include, cruelty to animals when young, anti-social behaviour, including petty crime, pathological lying, lack of empathy, wants instant gratification, is restless, and the only real emotion is rage.
 
Vixen said:
Really? If you were in court appearing on a charge of serious crime and the court appoints an expert witness, how would YOU feel seeing the expert witness wining and dining and laughing with the prosecution barristers? I guarantee you would feel very very angry and undermined.
That gives you an insight into why it is against Bar Standards to for barristers to consort with 'independent witnesses' or the judge or the jury, whilst a case is live.

Anything said to one party during a live trial must be said in front of the other party and the judge (and jury), within the context of the court of law.
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You continue to embellish and offer up strawmen, as a way to flood this thread with inanities.

Not even Francesco Maresca embellished the way you do. He'd said he'd seen them together, that's all.

And further - that that simple act was THE reason that Conti-Vecchiotti's independent, expert findings about Stefanoni's work was "fraudulent". Note - not a single comment about the content of the C/V report, just that they'd been seen with defence lawyers - in broad daylight at lunch.

Divert divert divert. When this stuff his an internet on-line forum, add embellishment and strawman.

All of this has been dealt with ad naseam in the previous 26 Continuations of this thread. You're using the next horse on the merry-go-round as a way of avoiding that you'd fallen off the last horse which went by.

And so on and so on.
 
Vixen said:
It is if you are a detective who has to urgently find a savage murderer, who could be a serial one. This is where profiling comes in.


Bear in mind, this has nothing to do with evidence, but everything to do with building a picture of the type of person who would do such a thing. From past research, it is almost invariably a sociopath, perhaps under the influence of drugs, with a history of aberrant behaviour, which can include, cruelty to animals when young, anti-social behaviour, including petty crime, pathological lying, lack of empathy, wants instant gratification, is restless, and the only real emotion is rage.
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Yes, and when the founder of criminal profiling, John Douglas, looked at this case he said that neither AK nor RS fit.

Next.
 
Vixen said:
Knox knew Rudy. Rudy was kicking around bored. Knox was bored, Raff was bored. Massei ruled Knox let in Rudy, adding that it didn't matter whether it was Mez or Amanda who opened the door to him.

Fact is, Knox was definitely in the vicinity and confirmed by her own account, 'I met 'Patrick' (as Marasca decreed a substitute for Rudy) by the basketball court' and then proceeded to invite him and into Mez' bedroom for sex.
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Um, yeah, sure... two 20 year old's, dating for a week, find themselves all alone for the evening and they were bored. What an incredibly stupid comment.
 
Planigale said:
You mean Sollecito had a Trump tattoo! Definitely guilty. Do you actually know what the tattoo is or do you just assume that it must be the most evil tattoo?


Do you know how many people bought a Manson record, how many people have tattoos? This is not evidence of anything.
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I can never remember his name.

As I said, it is profiling, not evidence. Look at the South American gangsters covered in tattoos for example. You have a drug cartel murder, you the detective will consider, 'could this be a gangland murder, perhaps part of a vendetta?'

Why waste time going after a Tibetan monk?

Hey, leave my distant relative Trump alone. He might be absolutely awful but anyone who can broker world peace deserves the Nobel Prize IMV.
 
Bill Williams said:
Yes, and when the founder of criminal profiling, John Douglas, looked at this case he said that neither AK nor RS fit.

Next.
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Oh Bill, Bill, Bill.......

Don't you KNOW that John Douglas was actually nobbled by an elite unit from "the mafias" who sailed over to the US in secret on the Marriott "PR Supertanker"??

:D
 
Vixen said:
Really? If you were in court appearing on a charge of serious crime and the court appoints an expert witness, how would YOU feel seeing the expert witness wining and dining and laughing with the prosecution barristers? I guarantee you would feel very very angry and undermined.

That gives you an insight into why it is against Bar Standards to for barristers to consort with 'independent witnesses' or the judge or the jury, whilst a case is live.

Anything said to one party during a live trial must be said in front of the other party and the judge (and jury), within the context of the court of law.
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It's Italy not prim and proper Britannia. Calm down. Their lax atmosphere and fraternal smooching is why this case wasn't laughed out of the first hearing anyway so be thankful.
 
Bill Williams said:
You continue to embellish and offer up strawmen, as a way to flood this thread with inanities.

Not even Francesco Maresca embellished the way you do. He'd said he'd seen them together, that's all.

And further - that that simple act was THE reason that Conti-Vecchiotti's independent, expert findings about Stefanoni's work was "fraudulent". Note - not a single comment about the content of the C/V report, just that they'd been seen with defence lawyers - in broad daylight at lunch.

Divert divert divert. When this stuff his an internet on-line forum, add embellishment and strawman.

All of this has been dealt with ad naseam in the previous 26 Continuations of this thread. You're using the next horse on the merry-go-round as a way of avoiding that you'd fallen off the last horse which went by.

And so on and so on.
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Ad naseam? You've been thumbing your nose? Or worse...?
 
Vixen said:
I can never remember his name.

As I said, it is profiling, not evidence. Look at the South American gangsters covered in tattoos for example. You have a drug cartel murder, you the detective will consider, 'could this be a gangland murder, perhaps part of a vendetta?'

Why waste time going after a Tibetan monk?
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Yeah. And what do you do then? You look at the available (reliable, credible) evidence, and see whether it indicates any of those people whom you've profiled*. And if, in fact, not one bit of reliable, credible evidence points towards any of those given people, then you conclude that you don't have a case against them for this crime, and you continue to presume them innocent.


* And you do not do what the incompetent, unlawful Perugia police and PM did in respect of Knox and Sollecito: that is to say, identifying suspects and THEN looking at/for evidence with the objective of finding incriminating evidence against them......
 
Vixen said:
It's been posted here before. You should be able to find it with a quick search.
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Ah the old "it's been posted here before" trick. Amusingly, the very same trick that was attempted by Stefanoni and Comodi in court with respect to the Electronic Data Files (including the negative controls) from the DNA analysis. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, huh?
 
Stacyhs said:
Is it any wonder why we keep coming back here? It's far more entertaining that TV!
Vixen's posts are like a news footage where they warn you that it may be shocking: you know you shouldn't look but you just can't help it.
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Amanda to Raffaele (in broken Italian): Let's invite this guy I saw once downstairs to our rape murder

Raffaele *while looking up from violent manga*: sounds like an extreme experience

Amanda to Rudy: Remember the friendly pretty British girl Meredith that's dating your friend? Want to come rape her and watch us stab her to death?

Rudy: yeah I was bored tonight anyway and wanted to spend the next 20 years in prison for your mastermind crime

What Vixen actually believes. Wow!
 
Vixen said:
Really? If you were in court appearing on a charge of serious crime and the court appoints an expert witness, how would YOU feel seeing the expert witness wining and dining and laughing with the prosecution barristers? I guarantee you would feel very very angry and undermined.

That gives you an insight into why it is against Bar Standards to for barristers to consort with 'independent witnesses' or the judge or the jury, whilst a case is live.

Anything said to one party during a live trial must be said in front of the other party and the judge (and jury), within the context of the court of law.
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Sigh. This comes straight from Barbie Nadeau who wrote in her book Angel Face:

Concern that the independent experts weren't so independent after all spread quickly after several journalists saw Vecchiotti with Raffaele's lawyer Luca Maori in the courthouse halls and coffee bars of Perugia.
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OMG! This is proof of a conspiracy between Vecchiotti and Maori! Of course, none of these alleged journalists is named...just as the cop who Nadeau claims said Amanda "smelled of sex" wasn't identified. How convenient.
Vecchiotti and Maori conspire in the courthouse halls and in the coffee shops in full view of all these journalists. Nadeau reminds me of Trump whose favorite "go to" when he wants to make up his own crap is "someone said" or "I read somewhere" or "People are saying".
 
Vixen said:
...and the girl's roommate is found dead the next day...
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... attacked and killed by a lone man who broke into her then-empty-and-dark cottage with the intention of stealing goods from it, but who got interrupted by the unexpected arrival home of said roommate*, who probably tried to escape but found the front door locked, who then got into a confrontation with said roommate, who escalated the confrontation into a physical then sexual assault at knifepoint, who then stabbed said roommate when she resisted and screamed....


* we say "house mate" in the UK, incidentally......
 
Stacyhs said:
Amanda had some very interesting, and spot on, observations in this interview about how the internet helped create the false image of her as a monster:


http://www.chatelaine.com/news/amanda-knox-interview/

She has so many PGP down pat. Despite how these PGP have tried to mold her into the monster of their own fertile imaginations, Amanda is much more generous and kind when it comes to Mignini:


(ibid)
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It's wonderful the self-described sluttish Amber Rose is, "Making a powerful statement: 'I am taking the punch for all women'" ~ Amanda Knox.

Not in my name, dearie. What has Amber Rose ever done in her life except parade in extremely scanty clothing in public and lay a variety of rap artists?
 
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