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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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And now for more proof that Peter Quennell is living in an alternate reality...
Slick Pete sent this email to the owner of GroundReport, Justin Weigner:

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=194430#p194430

Hilarious!!
Claiming that Raffaele is the nephew of Rocco Sollecito is yet another lie that TJMK created but has never provided any evidence for. They do seem to have a habit of doing that. I've looked at many sources about Rocco Sollecito and not a single one ever mentioned him being related to, much less the uncle, of Raffaele. Nor is it mentioned in any book on the Kercher case. If Raffaele were related to the notorious mafia figure, especially that closely, it would have been noted in the media. But, no...it's not. This one gets tossed onto the "Marriott hired a charter plane" pile of dung.

What did give me a real laugh, though, was this:


He writes "Without exaggeration" and then immediately follows that with gross exaggerations. You just can't make this kind of stuff up!:jaw-dropp


Raff's papa, Francesco, was photographed attending Rocco Sollecito's memorial service in Bari.
 
Raff's papa, Francesco, was photographed attending Rocco Sollecito's memorial service in Bari.



Even if that's true (and your reliability is constantly in question).... how on Earth would that necessarily imply that Raffaele's father was Rocco's brother (and that therefore Raffaele was Rocco's nephew)? Not so strong on logic, are you?
 
I get that. However, electronics and communications expert witnesses at the trial tested all of this and discovered:

  • There was no break in the signal as of the date of the murder.
  • None of Raff's neighbours, in exactly the same situation, had any problems with their signals or reception during that evening.


Well this is all a load of old bollocks, isn't it?

Firstly, these "points" seem to be implying that you're referring to the signal as transmitted from the base stations (cell masts) in the vicinity of Sollecito's apartment. But that's not at question at all. Nobody doubts that the base stations themselves were working fine on the evening/night of the murder. What's at issue is just how well those signals could be received at certain points within Sollecito's apartment (not just on the evening of the murder, of course - at any time).

The "point" you make about Sollecito's neighbours is entirely irrelevant. The entire question is about the signal strength within Sollecito's apartment - and not just that, but within specific different areas inside Sollecito's apartment. And the defence showed (via signal analysis) that indeed there were "not spots" within areas of Sollecito's apartment, where it would be difficult or impossible to receive cellular signal coverage (on account of the specific topography and stonework interference at those specific point in his apartment).


  • Raff was demonstrably shown to be lying about having spoken to his father at about 23:00.
  • Raff was lying about his phone being switched on, but in an area where there was no signal.


Uhhh.... no.

Just wrong. But no surprises there.



  • There is objective scientific proof beyond reasonable doubt, he switched on his phone circa 5:30 next morning and received the incoming messages which had been bouncing off the telphone masts periodically.


What utter crap. There's no "objective scientific proof" of this at all (but well done on borrowing that phrase - even though you clearly don't know what it really means, since it doesn't apply here). And you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about with respect to incoming messages "bouncing off the telephone masts periodically". This is arrant nonsense. As you've been patiently told before on this issue: if a message is unable to be delivered, it is just stored at the central server until the network reconnects to the phone to which it needs to be delivered, and it then resends the message via the appropriate base station to the phone in question. Please don't try to talk about things like this unless/until you actually understand them. Thanks.




  • Amanda Knox admitted turning off her phone at circa 20:45 the night of the murder, giving at least three different reasons to police.


No. She did not give "at least three different reasons". And what inference do you draw from Knox turning off her phone, Vixen? (Careful - unless you want to try to argue premeditation......)




  • It is an objective scientific observation based on phone logs that Raff switched off his phone within 15 minutes of Knox.


Firstly, once again please stop turning round phrases like "objective scientific observation" - which have been used in posts to you - when you apply them inappropriately (as you have done, again, here). All that can be said is that Sollecito's phone had no signal coverage at the time his father sent the message. That is all. It certainly cannot be even said that Sollecito's phone had no signal coverage "within 15 minutes" of Knox turning off her own phone. And - again as has been explained to you too many times to remember now - Sollecito's phone could have no signal coverage for two different reasons (assuming it did not have a totally flat battery, which it did not): either Sollecito turned his phone off.... OR his phone, while remaining switched on, dropped out of signal coverage.




  • This is fact.


Erm, no. Very little of what you wrote was fact. Nearly all of it was the product of hopeless subjective bias and a serious misunderstanding of the technology underpinning cellular networks.
 
Vixen said:
Raff's papa, Francesco, was photographed attending Rocco Sollecito's memorial service in Bari.
Even if that's true (and your reliability is constantly in question).... how on Earth would that necessarily imply that Raffaele's father was Rocco's brother (and that therefore Raffaele was Rocco's nephew)? Not so strong on logic, are you?

At one point in the life of the fake-Wiki (themurderofmeredithkercher) the sole "proof" that the Conti-Vecchiotti DNA report had been "fraudulent" was an entry they'd made that one on occasion, Francesco Maresca had quipped that he'd seen Vecchiotti having lunch with one of the defence lawyers.

It's the way the haters roll.
 
Even if that's true (and your reliability is constantly in question).... how on Earth would that necessarily imply that Raffaele's father was Rocco's brother (and that therefore Raffaele was Rocco's nephew)? Not so strong on logic, are you?

Why let a good accusation get in the way, even if the accusation is a bit off.

According to this CBC news piece, the mass for Rocco Sollecito became so controversial, and so opposed by local Catholic authorities that the funeral mass was eventually cancelled.

Should I post a cite proving this? Why? Vixen has already established the practise, on a Skeptics site, to post allegations with no citation.....

But oh heck, why not:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-mafia-rocco-sollecito-mass-cancelled-1.3913273

A priest in Grumo Appula, the Italian town of Sollecito's roots, posted notices inviting parishioners to mass Tuesday evening. But the police chief ordered the mass held at dawn instead to avoid drawing a big crowd.

Bari-Bitonto Archbishop Francesco Cacucci also opposed the evening public mass, calling it a "great scandal.'' He called it inappropriate for someone who didn't live a Christian life.

In the end, no mass at all was celebrated.​
 
True to form, the "Rocco and Raffaele are related" meme was discussed and disproven 5 months ago here on this Skeptics Site. I guess that's what's supposed to happen - on a Skeptics Site.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12128643#post12128643

Yet Vixen just waits 5 months and alleges it again, as if it never had been debunked. The merry-go-round/whack-a-mole is in its 11th year, and in its 27th Continuation - on a Skeptics Site.
 
I always knew after the final inevitable acquittal the guilters would be forced to become raving conspiracy nuts but I never imagined that conspiracy would be Raffaele 'check out my anime collection' Sollecito is a secret mafia don rofl
 
I always knew after the final inevitable acquittal the guilters would be forced to become raving conspiracy nuts but I never imagined that conspiracy would be Raffaele 'check out my anime collection' Sollecito is a secret mafia don rofl

Hey, if Congress and Homeland Security can be monitoring the Ground Report due to heavy Mafia influence, then I suppose anything is possible.

Guilters are nothing if not imaginative.
 
Raff's papa, Francesco, was photographed attending Rocco Sollecito's memorial service in Bari.

And yet....this alleged photo appears nowhere on any PGP site, including TJMK which has been the most vociferous with the "Raffaele/Rocco" connection lie. Hmmmm...now just why would that be? :confused:

I bet that photo is stored in the same bombshell file that holds the proof that Marriott chartered that 747, the photos of Raffaele wearing a Naparijini jacket and a cap with a red band, and the copy of Amanda's US felony record. That file is being held until just the right moment when it will be revealed. Perhaps at the party where the 2015 acquittal is ruled illegal by the Italian judiciary? Or maybe at the TJMK "major contributors" celebration when Raffaele and Gumbel's "apology" to Mignini finally comes through. That would be any day now, right?
 
I get that. However, electronics and communications expert witnesses at the trial tested all of this and discovered:

  • There was no break in the signal as of the date of the murder.
  • None of Raff's neighbours, in exactly the same situation, had any problems with their signals or reception during that evening.
  • Raff was demonstrably shown to be lying about having spoken to his father at about 23:00.
  • Raff was lying about his phone being switched on, but in an area where there was no signal.
  • There is objective scientific proof beyond reasonable doubt, he switched on his phone circa 5:30 next morning and received the incoming messages which had been bouncing off the telphone masts periodically.
  • Amanda Knox admitted turning off her phone at circa 20:45 the night of the murder, giving at least three different reasons to police.
  • It is an objective scientific observation based on phone logs that Raff switched off his phone within 15 minutes of Knox.
  • This is fact.

Please provide these alleged "three different reasons" with source. Unless you do, this claim will be flung onto the ever growing pile of lies.
 
And what inference do you draw from Knox turning off her phone, Vixen? (Careful - unless you want to try to argue premeditation......)

Vixen already fully admits to believing the crime was premeditated. She thinks Massei's explanation that Knox carried the kitchen knife for personal defense was just "indulging the kids." Which is funny because it's literally admitting that the motivation reports make up knowingly false speculation on the spot to fit a theory, and then they have the nerve to come here and cite bs from the various motivation reports as if it means anything.

Vixen's theory is that within five days of meeting, Amanda and Raffaele planned a thrill killing in broken English and mangled Italian against her flatmate so that Amanda could spend half her semester abroad homeless and dispossessed by a locked off crime scene that was formerly an idyllic Italian country villa overlooking a scenic valley nobody would want to vacation in. They turned off their phones while not rehearsing alibis and set off to kill but by chance ran into Rudy the burglar Amanda once saw on the other side of a room and decided to invite the extra eyewitness along (reasons unclear) and he decided to join them and kind of hang out and participate in this spontaneous rape murder (reasons unclear) and then spend years in prison never testifying against his accomplices (reasons unclear). Then Raffaele had enough of the whole court process and unleashed his mafia powers and made everything go away.

I know it sounds like i'm parodying/exaggerating Vixen's position but I think it's accurate and she can correct me if I got anything wrong.
 
Vixen already fully admits to believing the crime was premeditated. She thinks Massei's explanation that Knox carried the kitchen knife for personal defense was just "indulging the kids." Which is funny because it's literally admitting that the motivation reports make up knowingly false speculation on the spot to fit a theory, and then they have the nerve to come here and cite bs from the various motivation reports as if it means anything.

Vixen's theory is that within five days of meeting, Amanda and Raffaele planned a thrill killing in broken English and mangled Italian against her flatmate so that Amanda could spend half her semester abroad homeless and dispossessed by a locked off crime scene that was formerly an idyllic Italian country villa overlooking a scenic valley nobody would want to vacation in. They turned off their phones while not rehearsing alibis and set off to kill but by chance ran into Rudy the burglar Amanda once saw on the other side of a room and decided to invite the extra eyewitness along (reasons unclear) and he decided to join them and kind of hang out and participate in this spontaneous rape murder (reasons unclear) and then spend years in prison never testifying against his accomplices (reasons unclear). Then Raffaele had enough of the whole court process and unleashed his mafia powers and made everything go away.

I know it sounds like i'm parodying/exaggerating Vixen's position but I think it's accurate and she can correct me if I got anything wrong.

They did premeditate it with 15 minutes notice, given that Knox was expecting to be working until 20.15 and Sollecito had previous plans for the evening until 20.45, then they not only had to bump into Guede and explain the plan and get him to agree, but they also need to get to the Plaza to be seen by Curatolo between 21.00 and 21.30. It was just lucky the Guede had already decided to hang around the villa (as seen on CCTV) before Knox and Sollecito had known they were free that evening.

So that gives them about 15 minutes to make the plan, get Guede's participation, carry out the murder then get to the Plaza. All this given that Guede was a virtual stranger and spoke no or little English, Sollecito's English was poor and Knox had only just stated to learn Italian.

Then of course there is the issue with mutually incompatible witness testimony. Since they were seen sitting in the Plaza until midnight then they could not have been the footsteps heard running. Nor could they have been the cause of the scream heard, because an eye witness puts them elsewhere at the time of the scream and running footsteps.
 
I always knew after the final inevitable acquittal the guilters would be forced to become raving conspiracy nuts but I never imagined that conspiracy would be Raffaele 'check out my anime collection' Sollecito is a secret mafia don rofl

The anime is another factoid that is provably false but is continually re-hashed. Versions are that the Manga involved a halloween killing - false. That the position of the victim in the magazine, matched that of the victim in real life - false. that a vampire was killed - false. But the biggest fallacy is that Sollecito had read the Manga. As the police officer testified the magazine was sealed in plastic unread when it was found. So Sollecito and Knox could not have known what was in the magazine. That the magazines were unread is evidence that sollecito was not a Manga fan, yet this story about him reading violent Manga is repeated despite the fact the evidence points to the opposite.
 
I get that. However, electronics and communications expert witnesses at the trial tested all of this and discovered:

  • There was no break in the signal as of the date of the murder.
  • None of Raff's neighbours, in exactly the same situation, had any problems with their signals or reception during that evening.
  • Raff was demonstrably shown to be lying about having spoken to his father at about 23:00.
  • Raff was lying about his phone being switched on, but in an area where there was no signal.
  • There is objective scientific proof beyond reasonable doubt, he switched on his phone circa 5:30 next morning and received the incoming messages which had been bouncing off the telphone masts periodically.
  • Amanda Knox admitted turning off her phone at circa 20:45 the night of the murder, giving at least three different reasons to police.
  • It is an objective scientific observation based on phone logs that Raff switched off his phone within 15 minutes of Knox.
  • This is fact.

This is all bs. One, I don't believe you when say they questioned Raffaele's neighbors about their cellular reception. Two, the prosecution expert did test reception OUTSIDE Raffaele's building. Dr. Pellero on the other hand tested reception throughout Raffaele's apartment and testified to significant dead zones within it. Three, neighbors of Raffaele ARE NOT ever in the same situation as RF reception varies according to location. One cannot know precisely where these apartments were in relation to the cell tower and the number of windows and wall openings, all of which effect radio reception.

BTW, Where is your admission of error regarding the charter? We are STILL WAITING.
 
They did premeditate it with 15 minutes notice, given that Knox was expecting to be working until 20.15 and Sollecito had previous plans for the evening until 20.45, then they not only had to bump into Guede and explain the plan and get him to agree, but they also need to get to the Plaza to be seen by Curatolo between 21.00 and 21.30. It was just lucky the Guede had already decided to hang around the villa (as seen on CCTV) before Knox and Sollecito had known they were free that evening.

So that gives them about 15 minutes to make the plan, get Guede's participation, carry out the murder then get to the Plaza. All this given that Guede was a virtual stranger and spoke no or little English, Sollecito's English was poor and Knox had only just stated to learn Italian.

Then of course there is the issue with mutually incompatible witness testimony. Since they were seen sitting in the Plaza until midnight then they could not have been the footsteps heard running. Nor could they have been the cause of the scream heard, because an eye witness puts them elsewhere at the time of the scream and running footsteps.

But, but, but....you can clearly see she's guilty by such objective scientific observation as looking at her eyes and body language!
 
The anime is another factoid that is provably false but is continually re-hashed. Versions are that the Manga involved a halloween killing - false. That the position of the victim in the magazine, matched that of the victim in real life - false. that a vampire was killed - false. But the biggest fallacy is that Sollecito had read the Manga. As the police officer testified the magazine was sealed in plastic unread when it was found. So Sollecito and Knox could not have known what was in the magazine. That the magazines were unread is evidence that sollecito was not a Manga fan, yet this story about him reading violent Manga is repeated despite the fact the evidence points to the opposite.

To be fair he does have a manga character tattoo on his back.
 
To be fair he does have a manga character tattoo on his back.

Which means absolutely nothing. But that doesn't stop the PGP from claiming it does.

Claiming an unidentified manga cartoon tattoo is evidence of anything is as silly as the PGP claiming that Knox's noise violation for a college party is evidence of her being an out-of-control, wild child.
 
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They did premeditate it with 15 minutes notice, given that Knox was expecting to be working until 20.15 and Sollecito had previous plans for the evening until 20.45, then they not only had to bump into Guede and explain the plan and get him to agree, but they also need to get to the Plaza to be seen by Curatolo between 21.00 and 21.30. It was just lucky the Guede had already decided to hang around the villa (as seen on CCTV) before Knox and Sollecito had known they were free that evening.

So that gives them about 15 minutes to make the plan, get Guede's participation, carry out the murder then get to the Plaza. All this given that Guede was a virtual stranger and spoke no or little English, Sollecito's English was poor and Knox had only just stated to learn Italian.

Then of course there is the issue with mutually incompatible witness testimony. Since they were seen sitting in the Plaza until midnight then they could not have been the footsteps heard running. Nor could they have been the cause of the scream heard, because an eye witness puts them elsewhere at the time of the scream and running footsteps.

Given that the PGP-PR campaign believes Guede, in that Guede was the one who said that Raffaele was left handed and that he'd worn peculiar, rememberable clothing...

..... then one must accept that according to Rudy Guede he'd not met with Knox and/or Sollecito, but was already at the cottage after being invited in by the victim, where (as Guede claimed) he'd had consensual sex with the victim - and then and only then Knox came to the cottage and a fight broke out about the rent money.

How does Guede's story, which PGP and the Nencini court believe, fit into premeditation?
 
Given that the PGP-PR campaign believes Guede, in that Guede was the one who said that Raffaele was left handed and that he'd worn peculiar, rememberable clothing...

..... then one must accept that according to Rudy Guede he'd not met with Knox and/or Sollecito, but was already at the cottage after being invited in by the victim, where (as Guede claimed) he'd had consensual sex with the victim - and then and only then Knox came to the cottage and a fight broke out about the rent money.

How does Guede's story, which PGP and the Nencini court believe, fit into premeditation?

Well, I mean, if there was a way to mash together a coherent narrative of the crime that has both Knox and Guede involved (and not either or) somebody would've done it in the last 120,000 posts...

Here's what happens when you expose an unbiased functioning human brain to the basic facts of this case, as demonstrated at the start of the very first page of the very first thread 9 years ago:

I still want to know what her motive was supposed to have been, and how Rudy Guede fits into a coherent narrative that has Knox also participating in the killing.

Nobody bothered to answer him, and 120,000 posts later the question is still unanswered. A spectre is haunting the guilters -- the spectre of Rudy Guede. He was standing over Meredith's body with bloody knife marked hands because he stabbed her to death, obviously.
 
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