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Why People Voted For Trump – For Those Who Don't Get It

Meadmaker said:
And yet, that message didn't get out. And I'll bet you can't find a quote of Hillary saying the things you just said. You can find quotes saying Stop and Frisk is racist. You can find quotes saying it's unconstitutional. I think, although my memory is not so clear, that you can find quotes saying it's ineffective.

You can't find many quotes from Democrats and none from Hillary Clinton taking the libertarian position against stop and frisk. It's hard to find Democrats saying, "This is a violation of our fourth amendment rights." It's easy to find Democrats saying, "It's racist."

I can only assume that it is, indeed, racist. However, that's not what's really wrong with it. If they did that to a proportional number of white people, it wouldn't be good policy.
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Are you trying to say that people voted for trump because they lacked education and critical thinking skills about the values he was espousing?

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Meadmaker said:
And yet, that message didn't get out. And I'll bet you can't find a quote of Hillary saying the things you just said. You can find quotes saying Stop and Frisk is racist. You can find quotes saying it's unconstitutional. I think, although my memory is not so clear, that you can find quotes saying it's ineffective.

You can't find many quotes from Democrats and none from Hillary Clinton taking the libertarian position against stop and frisk. It's hard to find Democrats saying, "This is a violation of our fourth amendment rights." It's easy to find Democrats saying, "It's racist."

I can only assume that it is, indeed, racist. However, that's not what's really wrong with it. If they did that to a proportional number of white people, it wouldn't be good policy.
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The problem is that "stop and frisk" is really a euphemism for racial profiling, explicit or implicit, because police don't need any special policy to stop and frisk someone, provided they have a good reason. Back in 1969, the Supreme Court ruled that warrantless searches are constitutional provided they aren't discriminatory. I think Clinton or anyone else would be ripped to shreds if she argued that a police officer should have to go get a warrant if he has "probable cause" to think that a suspect might be armed and dangerous. So, unless and until the SC rules otherwise, the problem is indeed that it is only unconstitutional if racial profiling is used as a probable cause, which is racist by definition.
 
mijopaalmc said:
What other posters have pointed out is that some Trump voters are trying to justify voting for Trump by saying that some of Clinton's actions--actions which Trump also took--were what made her untrustworthy enough to them to preclude their voting for her.
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You are probably missing the point.

There seems to be a growing disenchantment around the world with the "status quo" which continually sees the rich get richer and the not so rich stagnate (at best). In many democracies, voters have the option of voting for minority parties that will provide a check on the corporate worshipers. But not in the US. It is strictly a two party system or "throw your vote away".

In this case, the choice was between two candidates who were so unsavoury that many could not distinguish between the two. The voters simply parked their vote with the candidate that was less likely to continue the corporate worshiping.

That a primary system ended up providing such horrible choices is another matter altogether.
 
psionl0 said:
You are probably missing the point.

There seems to be a growing disenchantment around the world with the "status quo" which continually sees the rich get richer and the not so rich stagnate (at best). In many democracies, voters have the option of voting for minority parties that will provide a check on the corporate worshipers. But not in the US. It is strictly a two party system or "throw your vote away".

In this case, the choice was between two candidates who were so unsavoury that many could not distinguish between the two. The voters simply parked their vote with the candidate that was less likely to continue the corporate worshiping.

That a primary system ended up providing such horrible choices is another matter altogether.
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So, you're saying Trump was elected because of voter ignorance and gullibility?
 
psionl0 said:
You are probably missing the point.

There seems to be a growing disenchantment around the world with the "status quo" which continually sees the rich get richer and the not so rich stagnate (at best). In many democracies, voters have the option of voting for minority parties that will provide a check on the corporate worshipers. But not in the US. It is strictly a two party system or "throw your vote away".

In this case, the choice was between two candidates who were so unsavoury that many could not distinguish between the two. The voters simply parked their vote with the candidate that was less likely to continue the corporate worshiping. That a primary system ended up providing such horrible choices is another matter altogether.
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Boy was that stupid, as it turns out the opposite was true. And it's not like that wasn't known beforehand.

ETA: Look, nobody's missing why people voted for Trump. They wanted change. They wanted it so badly that they blinded themselves to reality.
 
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uke2se said:
Boy was that stupid, as it turns out the opposite was true. And it's not like that wasn't known beforehand.
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A vote for HC was an almost certain vote for the status quo (which is generating increasing resentment).

A vote for DT is probably a vote for the status quo but there is a chance for something different to happen. At the very least, it tells Democrats and Republicans to stop taking voters for granted.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's good that Trump apologists practice their art: they have their job cut out for them for the next 2 years or so.

Hint: the election is over, so blaming Clinton no longer works.
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They will continue to blame her, Obama, and democrats for the consequences of the failed policies that the GOP and Trump are going to implement.

Pollution is going to go up.
Income inequality will skyrocket.
The market will crash.
There will be a new war or two.
The deficit will be out of control.
Millions will lose health care coverage.
 
psionl0 said:
A vote for HC was an almost certain vote for the status quo (which is generating increasing resentment).

A vote for DT is probably a vote for the status quo but there is a chance for something different to happen. At the very least, it tells Democrats and Republicans to stop taking voters for granted.
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And the price is something much much worse than the status quo if you worry about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer: a kleptocracy.

As I said, all this was known beforehand, but Trump voters didn't want to listen. They were filled with uncontrolled rage, and voted with that.
 
uke2se said:
And the price is something much much worse than the status quo if you worry about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer: a kleptocracy.

As I said, all this was known beforehand, but Trump voters didn't want to listen. They were filled with uncontrolled rage, and voted with that.
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I actually agree with you. But if you want change then you have to take risks (under the US system). The hope is that the Democrat politicians take notice.
 
psionl0 said:
I actually agree with you. But if you want change then you have to take risks (under the US system).
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The point is, it was a stupid risk to take. For one, it was very clear what would happen. Secondly, the status quo isn't as bad as people imagine. Thirdly, I very much doubt most Trump voters reasoned as you do. It was an emotional vote to "stick it to the libs", and/or "the uppity *******".
 
uke2se said:
The point is, it was a stupid risk to take. For one, it was very clear what would happen. Secondly, the status quo isn't as bad as people imagine. Thirdly, I very much doubt most Trump voters reasoned as you do. It was an emotional vote to "stick it to the libs", and/or "the uppity *******".
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You probably know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again (voting for establishment Democrat politicians) and expecting a different result.
 
psionl0 said:
You probably know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again (voting for establishment Democrat politicians) and expecting a different result.
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I would call this a false dichotomy. This is like being bored with walking to work everyday and deciding to shake things up by shooting oneself in the foot.

Besides, your choice for doing something different is voting Republican?
 
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psionl0 said:
You probably know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again (voting for establishment Democrat politicians) and expecting a different result.
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People had the option to get politically involved and effect change that way. Instead they voted a racist con man into the presidency.
 
thaiboxerken said:
They will continue to blame her, Obama, and democrats for the consequences of the failed policies that the GOP and Trump are going to implement.

Pollution is going to go up.
Income inequality will skyrocket.
The market will crash.
There will be a new war or two.
The deficit will be out of control.
Millions will lose health care coverage.
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Any recent progress towards civil rights equality is likely in the crapper, too. That's Obama's fault for treating them gays and trans like people.
 
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Upchurch said:
Any recent progress towards civil rights equality is likely in the crapper, too. That's Obama's fault for treating them gays and trans like people.
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No, it's Obama's and other liberals' fault for Calling homophobes and transphobes what they are. It hurt their feelings so they elected Trump. That's the fantastic argument we are treated to in the OP.
 
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