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Nessie said:
Access to the EEA costs Norway 388 million euro a year (£317 million). Norway has no say whatsoever in the EEA rules, but it has to comply with them.

http://www.norway.org.uk/norwayandc...gian-Politics/NORWAY-EU-AND-EEA/#.V21fqTWDPIU
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It does have a nominal consultative role.

And zero votes in either the council or the parliament.

ETA - Norway's EU contribution is more like 850m, I think. Will try to find figures.

ETAA - it's actually 866m euro, and the figures were in your link, conveniently for me!
 
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MikeG said:
Don't forget, Leave won. Are you really saying that the democratic choice of the majority of the electorate is a disaster? Because denying the majority of the country any say on this matter is a bit "never mind your pretty head about this. We know what's best for you", don't you think?
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No I don't think anything of the sort. How can saying that the choice of the majority is a disaster be equated with denying the majority a choice?

People who have the right to make a choice often exercise that right in disastrous ways. Why is saying that undemocratic?

It would be undemocratic to set aside the choice of the majority. It is in no way undemocratic to denounce it as the height of foolishness.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Two blokes in the Barbers this afternoon happy about the win but dismayed that there hadn't been an announcement about 'Shutting the Border' yet.
After some explaining that it could take up to two years to close anything they didn't seem as happy.
They seem to think Boris has been elected already and can simply just give the order.
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Give those two blokes a Scutum, a Gladius,and a Pilum and send them up to Hadrian's Wall........
 
Craig B said:
No I don't think anything of the sort. How can saying that the choice of the majority is a disaster be equated with denying the majority a choice?

People who have the right to make a choice often exercise that right in disastrous ways. Why is saying that undemocratic?

It would be undemocratic to set aside the choice of the majority. It is in no way undemocratic to denounce it as the height of foolishness.
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I fully agree with this statement.

However when you read and watch things like this you start wondering whether there should not be a voting licence the same way there is a driving licence : http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-man_uk_576cf8e4e4b08d2c5638ee29
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Two blokes in the Barbers this afternoon happy about the win but dismayed that there hadn't been an announcement about 'Shutting the Border' yet.
After some explaining that it could take up to two years to close anything they didn't seem as happy.
They seem to think Boris has been elected already and can simply just give the order.
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I came across people talking about the result whilst out and about today, they said it was a good result and in future the foreigners wouldn't be allowed in,

but, they said, we should give their kids a safe haven while the parents find a safe place then give the kids back.

Its like they didn't even understand what eu freedom of movement even meant, or what they were even voting for.

It was just 'foreigners', don't like them so I'm voting leave.

The lies that have swayed people are not cool, but that's politics for ya.
 
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MikeG said:
Don't forget, Leave won. Are you really saying that the democratic choice of the majority of the electorate is a disaster? Because denying the majority of the country any say on this matter is a bit "never mind your pretty head about this. We know what's best for you", don't you think?
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You're ignoring the reasons why the majority might have voted the way it did, if it was based on lies then the leave voters might be regretting it now.

If democracy can be influenced by how well you lie to the voters, is that democracy?

for the leave voters, buyers remorse might be kicking in quite soon, especially if they plan to use foreign currency on their next holiday.
 
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p0lka said:
for the leave voters, buyers remorse might be kicking in quite soon, especially if they plan to use foreign currency on their next holiday.
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UK seaside resorts will make earn huge amounts of money this summer... :D
 
MikeG said:
Don't forget, Leave won. Are you really saying that the democratic choice of the majority of the electorate is a disaster? Because denying the majority of the country any say on this matter is a bit "never mind your pretty head about this. We know what's best for you", don't you think?
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3point14 said:
Possibly, yes.

I realise that comes with all sorts of implications I don't like, but I'm thinking maybe yes.
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This sentiment reminds me of the fittingly titled Remains of the Day. A bunch of aristocrats are discussing politics and they choose to tease the butler of the house with questions about his own opinions on the state of trade between other European countries. When the butler repeatedly declines to give his opinion on these matters by saying he doesn't know much about this kind of thing, one aristocrat turns to the owner of the house and smugly observes, "And yet you want to give these people the vote!"
 
I thihk closing the borders is moot anyway. Refugees are starting to cross the Channel by boat.
 
We have had a number of unelected Prime Ministers. I believe Lloyd George and Churchill both came to the post that way.
 
Cameron changed the rules on calling early elections, it's difficult to do now. It's one of the first things he did when the coalition got in to protect his government from having the rug pulled by his coalition partners.
 
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