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What It's Like To Own Guns...

Giz said:
I don't think you've cottoned on to the muslin thing.
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I'm trying to keep the transparency going.

And Ronnie Barker.

Ranb said:
I'd say that being an extremist of various kinds would not make a person unfit to own a gun.
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You might be right. The cops don't give a crap what you'd say, or what I say.

Ranb said:
Doesn't seem fair does it?
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Any system is bound to be flawed and I can't say I'm unhappy that the flaw in NZ is on the side of caution. These are guns we're talking about, not lollipops.

Ranb said:
Do NZ residents ever complain about the police declining based on race, creed or other reasons there?
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Did you not read my post?

I noted that complaints are virtually unheard of. And trust me, if there were any sniff of race being a factor, they would be heard.

Ranb said:
Are these people extremists? http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/281466/thousands-turn-out-to-protest-tpp What about members of Greenpeace or others who protest for other causes?
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Nope, nor would the police consider them extremists.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
...Well here in Oklahoma we have a completely different solution. It's based on reality, not fantasy. When a local sheriff sees a spike in violent crime in a county, he publically asks all citizens on the county to please go down and get a concealed carry permit, fingerprinting 1/2 price. Then publicizes guidelines for the law abiding citizens to follow before they shoot the criminals. The bad guys generally get the point and get the hell out of Dodge.

Saves a whole lot more lives than your fantasyland woo.
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You got a link for any of this ? Or is this just Okie Braggadocio?
 
cullennz said:
And of course there is due process. It is just down to the requester to prove they can be trusted
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Is everyone in NZ still allowed to make their own hooch? Becuz that right there is a deal sealer!!! You gotta' take the bad with the good!!
 
When your at the shooting range its downright fun to own a gun. I own six handguns, an AR-15, A .12 gauge double barrel shotgun and a .410.

The only time I feel my gun collection is incomplete is when I see a gun I'd like to own.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
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Well here in Oklahoma we have a completely different solution. It's based on reality, not fantasy. When a local sheriff sees a spike in violent crime in a county, he publically asks all citizens on the county to please go down and get a concealed carry permit, fingerprinting 1/2 price. Then publicizes guidelines for the law abiding citizens to follow before they shoot the criminals. The bad guys generally get the point and get the hell out of Dodge.

Saves a whole lot more lives than your fantasyland woo.
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The above is the most ********** up argument against gun control I've ever heard.
Are you really suggesting that the way to reduce gun deaths in the US is to increase the number of guns in the mix and incentivise vigilantism?

Really?




Or is it a Poe?
 
Mark F said:
I own more than 20 firearms, none of them explicitly for self-protection and I think using firearms for self-protection is heavily hyped and high over-rated.

Now, if I lived in Alaskan Bear and Moose country I would have firearm(s) specifically for self-protection but that probably isn't what you are thinking of.
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I do, and I don't. Bear and moose home invasions are quite rare.
I would reconsider if I decided to live outdoors.
 
welshdean said:
The above is the most ********** up argument against gun control I've ever heard.
Are you really suggesting that the way to reduce gun deaths in the US is to increase the number of guns in the mix and incentivise vigilantism?

Really?




Or is it a Poe?
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Apparently taking personal responsibility for your own self defense is vigilantism.

ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, I this might be the distinguishing characteristic, between Americans and our Commonwealth Cousins. We still believe, to a much greater degree, that self defense is a personal responsibility and a personal choice, and that we have a right to the tools for the job if we want them.
 
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theprestige said:
ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, I this might be the distinguishing characteristic, between Americans and our Commonwealth Cousins. We still believe, to a much greater degree, that self defense is a personal responsibility and a personal choice, and that we have a right to the tools for the job if we want them.
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I'd call that a distinguishing characteristic, sure, but not the distinguishing characteristic.
 
arthwollipot said:
I'd call that a distinguishing characteristic, sure, but not the distinguishing characteristic.
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I'd considered adding "in the context of the gun control debate", but I'm posting from my phone and my thumb is tired. I'd hoped it would go without saying, but apparently I have to spell everything out for the brain trust. You're welcome.
 
theprestige said:
Apparently taking personal responsibility for your own self defense is vigilantism.

ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, I this might be the distinguishing characteristic, between Americans and our Commonwealth Cousins. We still believe, to a much greater degree, that self defense is a personal responsibility and a personal choice, and that we have a right to the tools for the job if we want them.
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We'd rather disputes ended in a 'nasty look', not a death. Or murder as some may say.
 
welshdean said:
We'd rather disputes ended in a 'nasty look', not a death. Or murder as some may say.
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The UK reported a violent crime rate of 1,797/100k people 2009-2010, which is... kinda high. Seems like disputes are ending in a lot more than just a 'nasty look', on that side of the pond. How's what you'd rather working out for you?

ETA: Source (PDF).

In any case, shouldn't self defense be a matter of personal choice, not government fiat?

ETA: I mean, if your response to a threat to your life and liberty is to give them whatever they want while you wait for armed police to arrive, and hope that they don't want more than you can afford to give, that's fine with me. I just don't see why that shouldn't be your choice and your responsibility.
 
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theprestige said:
The UK reported a violent crime rate of 1,797/100k people 2009-2010, which is... kinda high. Seems like disputes are ending in a lot more than just a 'nasty look', on that side of the pond. How's what you'd rather working out for you?
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The difference is that in America, violent crimes more often end in death, because of all the guns.
 
theprestige said:
The UK reported a violent crime rate of 1,797/100k people 2009-2010, which is... kinda high. Seems like disputes are ending in a lot more than just a 'nasty look', on that side of the pond. How's what you'd rather working out for you?

ETA: Source (PDF).

In any case, shouldn't self defense be a matter of personal choice, not government fiat?

ETA: I mean, if your response to a threat to your life and liberty is to give them whatever they want while you wait for armed police to arrive, and hope that they don't want more than you can afford to give, that's fine with me. I just don't see why that shouldn't be your choice and your responsibility.
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Violent crime doesnt involve guns, in the majority

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theprestige said:
The UK reported a violent crime rate of 1,797/100k people 2009-2010, which is... kinda high. Seems like disputes are ending in a lot more than just a 'nasty look', on that side of the pond. How's what you'd rather working out for you?

ETA: Source (PDF).

In any case, shouldn't self defense be a matter of personal choice, not government fiat?
ETA: I mean, if your response to a threat to your life and liberty is to give them whatever they want while you wait for armed police to arrive, and hope that they don't want more than you can afford to give, that's fine with me. I just don't see why that shouldn't be your choice and your responsibility.
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Self defence is a matter of personal choice, we prefer that shooting is not one of them choices, no matter what car our government drives.

For the record, the 'real perceived threat of violence' is a violent act in itself in the UK.
 
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