Jeff Corey
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No, it's not clear. All that emerges is a random pattern.Interesting Ian said:
Zener card telepathy test.
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Wow. I haven't been on these forums long enough to know for sure whether you were being sarcastic, but...Interesting Ian said:
Isn't it much more likely that this "hit" is the result of probability? Even if you do believe in telepathy, you'd have to allow for random chance.
Furthermore, what good is telepathy if it's weak enough to be overridden by the order in which you presented the symbols?
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Forty-Two said:
Just a bit of levity on my part. And I have never extolled the practical benefits of telepathy.
I don't think the order of the symbol had such a great effect.
To say so, that the order had an effect, we could redo another poll to check it. But then it'll not be truely "double blind" or "blind"
I'm not entirely convinced that it is just random pattern.
To check if it is random pattern, we could repeat the poll and ask everyone to use a dice.
I'm more inclined to think the result had to do with the people who took part in the poll. Their preference, their experience, what they think Ian would choose.
While voter might appear to themselves to have chosen randomly, their decision have been influenced by their past personal experiences.
Exception is when someone uses the dice to make to decision.
A possible explanation could go like this...
(1) Few people like to be SQUARE.
(2) CROSS is sort of a believer's shape. Which many avoid.
(3) STAR is everyone's favourite, it is easy to think of a song about star than the other shape. It also represents all the good exciting things and it appeals to one superiority complex.
(4) CIRCLE and WAVE are more neutral and unpredictable. Rather safe-feeling, diplomatic choice.
The explanation seemed logical to me but then this is a post-poll analysis. And I understand it is not a poll about the personal choice of the preferred shape. But I do feel personal experience did affected the result.
Frankly, I personally did not attempted to do anything telepathic.
Or it wasn't clear to me I'm supposed to do so (attempt telepathy). It was a guess. A guess by me based on what comes to my mind intuitively. Which I trust is colored by my past experiences.
To say so, that the order had an effect, we could redo another poll to check it. But then it'll not be truely "double blind" or "blind"
I'm not entirely convinced that it is just random pattern.
To check if it is random pattern, we could repeat the poll and ask everyone to use a dice.
I'm more inclined to think the result had to do with the people who took part in the poll. Their preference, their experience, what they think Ian would choose.
While voter might appear to themselves to have chosen randomly, their decision have been influenced by their past personal experiences.
Exception is when someone uses the dice to make to decision.
A possible explanation could go like this...
(1) Few people like to be SQUARE.
(2) CROSS is sort of a believer's shape. Which many avoid.
(3) STAR is everyone's favourite, it is easy to think of a song about star than the other shape. It also represents all the good exciting things and it appeals to one superiority complex.
(4) CIRCLE and WAVE are more neutral and unpredictable. Rather safe-feeling, diplomatic choice.
The explanation seemed logical to me but then this is a post-poll analysis. And I understand it is not a poll about the personal choice of the preferred shape. But I do feel personal experience did affected the result.
Frankly, I personally did not attempted to do anything telepathic.
Or it wasn't clear to me I'm supposed to do so (attempt telepathy). It was a guess. A guess by me based on what comes to my mind intuitively. Which I trust is colored by my past experiences.
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I picked the wavy lines because that was the hit the male subject got in Ghostbusters.
Also to screw up the distribution because I knew more people pick the star.
Also to screw up the distribution because I knew more people pick the star.
Yeah, we also think that you're a great psyco, too. And Ian is an even bigger psyco that you are.Yahweh said:
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I chose the STAR because I had a vision of it.
This is only one good reason why you shouldn't trust unsolicited visions.
This is only one good reason why you shouldn't trust unsolicited visions.
I like Nolan's confident prediction:
Did you used to predict things very confidently and hope that the subject wouldn't disagree?
(And by the way that would have only counted as two changes.)
Weren't you supposed to have a special ability Nolan?
Did you used to predict things very confidently and hope that the subject wouldn't disagree?
(And by the way that would have only counted as two changes.)
True in my opinion, I don't like the square symbol much either.Jyera said:
True, I think.
I agree majority of people choose the star more often. It certainly is not a neutral symbol. While the majority choose it an minority will avoid it perhaps due to associations with Satanism (upside down)
PSI card tests need to look at using more abstract symbols. However boring symbols are flawed for long term trials IMO. If the experimenters get bored or lose enthusiasm for any PSI experiment I suspect the weak PSI effect will evaporate or even reverse. PSI trials in my opinion should be short changing very varied series of fun tests to keep the experimenters entertained and the belief it is possible should be encouraged (during the trial period)