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Hokulele said:
A Zen master would never believe they have reached the highest possible rank, as hierarchies belong to the ego and have no place in Zen.

In other words, this claim clearly demonstrates he is a fraud who is only out to steal money and feed his ego. He obviously does not care about his students, and knows nothing about satori.
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Yep.
 
nowornever said:
Zen Master Seung Sahn became Great Zen Master(DSSN) after being given the highest possible rank in Korean Buddhism, a golden rope at the age of 60.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYwYyYT6s
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"Immediately after Ikkyu's satori experience, Kaso gave Ikkyu inka certification. Ikkyu did not have a high opinion of inka certificates, and refused to take the piece of paper, leaving it on the ground. Kaso saved the certificate for Ikkyu. No doubt Ikkyu's distaste for inka certificates came partly from Keno, his former master. It is possible that he felt that since rich men could buy inka certification from some priests, such a certificate was no longer worth anything."
http://www.dharmaweb.org/index.php/Paper:_Zen_Rebel_Ikkyu:_Ikkyu_was_a_Zen_monk_of_Muromachi
 
Piscivore said:
Koans are not XBox acheivements, they're supposed to make you think in new ways.
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Another problem with mystic knowledge. A scientist knows about systems, but would never pretend to have "levels" of knowledge--they deal with principles, which have no such ranking. An artist can know techniques, but there's no "levels" of techniques--as soon as you can do it without removing significant portions of your or anyone else's body, you know it--doesn't matter if you know the stuff that normally leads up to it or not (it was all kinds of fun taking a jewelry making class and a structural geology class concurrently!). But mysticism always seems to be akin to an RPG: do X, gain experience points, and you level up! :rolleyes:

crimresearch said:
The point isn't for the student to 'get' some secret answer known only to a superior few, the point is that no matter what the student answers, it tells the Zen master something about the state of that particular student's monkey mind ( Another vital Zen concept that our Kwan Um follower is missing out on).
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Huh. I can see that being useful. I sometimes do the same thing, asking someone what their favorite metal is and why. It's nothing to do with enlightenment, it's a pedogogical tool.
 
nowornever said:
a stupid question:"On the 7th day of each month I sit an the table, on the 28th day of each month you can eat with me. What do these sentences mean?"

Correct, wise answer for this stupic question:
TODAY IS MONDAY
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A stupid question: "Why does the refrigerator light go off when I shut the door?

Correct, wise answer for this stupic question:
IF A REFRIGERATOR LIGHT GOES OFF AND THERE'S NO ONE INSIDE THE REFRIGERATOR TO SEE IT, DID IT REALLY GO OFF?
 
nowornever said:
Only zen teachers can check if a koan answer is right or wrong. I cannot check them as I am not an enlightened zen teacher.
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From what you post, it sounds like either the point of the whole thing has simply sailed over your head, or your teacher is playing games. What makes you think koan answers are either 'correct' or 'incorrect'? how do you know your Zen teacher is enlightened - does he tell you, or show you a certificate?
 
ynot said:
Correct answer! You are now enlightened and have been awarded a Golden Rope! But first send your cheque to . . .
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... to....?


Oh, I see. This is another Zen Koan. Fair enough. Okay, umm...... uuhh........... oh yeah, that's right:


KATZ!
 
dlorde said:
From what you post, it sounds like either the point of the whole thing has simply sailed over your head, or your teacher is playing games. What makes you think koan answers are either 'correct' or 'incorrect'? how do you know your Zen teacher is enlightened - does he tell you, or show you a certificate?
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That's pretty much been the whole point of this thread, hence the McZen comments and links to articles on the selling of certificates and titles, after students give the'right' answers to made up 'koans', or have sex with the founder.
 
crimresearch said:
That's pretty much been the whole point of this thread, hence the McZen comments and links to articles on the selling of certificates and titles, after students give the'right' answers to made up 'koans', or have sex with the founder.
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ok so am I getting this right, he's called Master because he has sex with his students ?
so whos been bonking Master Yoda ?
:D
 
Marduk said:
ok so am I getting this right, he's called Master because he has sex with his students ?
so whos been bonking Master Yoda ?
:D
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When you are an enlightened Zen Master there’s so much sex available you don’t have to be a master debater.
 
A Zen Monk was walking down a valley, when a young man approached him with a bag. The young man said "I have a lot of money in this bag. If you help me find my true Zen, I will give you all the money". The Zen Monk said "Okay, young man. Answer me this then: What is the true face of the Buddha?". The young boy thought for a moment and then he said "Every vessel contains an open space. The earth is the vessel of the sky", to which the Monk replied "Wroooong! There's a 200 dollar fee for each failed attempt". The young boy was forced to give him all the money in the bag, which only added to 150 dollars, so he had to also, follow the Monk to the nearest town, so they could go to the bank and withdraw the remaining 50 dollars. And so, the young boy was enlightened. But because he had pancreas cancer, he died the next day and never managed to pass on his newly acquired wisdom. And thus, the art of "hidden fees" survived until today.
 
crimresearch said:
That's pretty much been the whole point of this thread, hence the McZen comments and links to articles on the selling of certificates and titles, after students give the'right' answers to made up 'koans', or have sex with the founder.
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I noticed all that, but couldn't quite believe he was serious - I thought it might be irony; ironically, it appears not ;)
 
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