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You.....Moderate!

These definitions do tend to mean different things to different people...To many on the right, "liberal" has much the same connotation as "Communist".
 
Nova Land said:
I agree this is not necessarily going to be easy to find even if you are right and such examples did occur. I tried doing a search, using my best guesses as to who would be likely to have made such a comment (Jerry Brown about Clinton; Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich about Lieberman) and came up blank. But that doesn't mean they didn't say something like that; it mainly says that I couldn't figure out adequate search terms to zero in on something which might not have gotten much attention at the time.

Take your time searching. There is no rush. I am not going to make taunting comments about have you found it yet? If you ever do find such comments, I will be very interested to see them; but if you don't it's not a big deal. It simply means that, until you find them, I'll regard the claim (that both Democratic and Republican presidential candidates routinely denounce their opponents during the primaries as moderates) as unproven and likely false.
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I couldn't find anything on either side..... Though, I suspect that Gingrich's moderate "smear" wasn't the first such attack used in a debate, that doesn't mean I'm right. It could've been. But , judging by the history of politicians, I bet that there was a bit of this going on in ancient Greece! lol
 
Mitt has done several attack ads in Iowa trying to paint Newt as a moderate (showing his commercial with Nancy Pelosi where he admits that global warming is real), but at least had the sense to use code words like ""unreliable conservative" instead of actually saying what he really means (Mitt has similarly avoided using the word "socialist" in reference to Obama even though he says that Obama takes his political inspiration from socialist democrats in Europe).

Newt should know by now that it's not "presidential" to say what you mean.

FWIW, Newt claims that he wasn't using the word "moderate" as an insult, according to Fox News:

"When a Massachusetts moderate says I'm not conservative, it makes me want to laugh when he goes down that road," Gingrich told radio talk host Tony Powers.

On Monday, Gingrich Communications Director Joe DeSantis transformed the characterization into opposition research, sending reporters a press release mocking a Romney ad in which the former Massachusetts governor touts himself as a "conservative businessman."

"Can we trust a Massachusetts moderate to enact a conservative agenda?" DeSantis asked.

"Our campaign might have plenty of things to say about that but the best response certainly comes from Mitt Romney himself," he continued, inserting a video link to a Romney clip.

In the video, Romney says, "I think people recognize that I am not a partisan Republican. That I'm someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.'"

On Friday, the former House speaker also challenged a reporter who declared the term "Massachusetts moderate" to be a criticism.

"I didn’t criticize him, I described him accurately ... how could you think that was a criticism?" Gingrich asked with a smile on his face. Pressed further, Gingrich pleaded innocent.

"Wait, wait. 'Massachusetts moderate' is a negative?” he asked.​

-Bri
 
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Maybe someone needs to tell Newt that it's chosen usage of words that tend to impart positivity or negativity, not the literal word itself.
 
I could call Newt a cake-headed basketball... would I then say "Hey, what's wrong with cake and basketball? I like cake and basketball."
 
Newt is actually a really smart guy. But then again so am I, and I wouldn't want me to be President either.
 
Bikewer said:
Don't want folks to think that these caucases and primaries are skewed a bit to the right, but Newt just called Romney a "moderate" on CNN.
It did not seem to be a compliment....
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more proof the repubs have lost their minds
 
Because "smart" is not the only requirement for being a President
 
Spindrift said:
I hear this all the time. "Newt's a smart guy, but..."

If he's so smart why is there always a but.
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Well that's his strength. He's a smart guy. (something even the pundits and opposition give him credit for). he's known for having creative ideas when dealing with complex issues.

HOWEVER, he's also known for sticking his foot in his mouth, for bullying people who question his ideas, for being very hard to negotiate with and for not really understanding the whole notion of "monogamy".

He will always be a better advisor than he would ever be a leader.



(just to add, I have a fairly high IQ(162 on the SB in 2nd grade), and I'm good at solving complex problems in a fairly efficient manner BUT I can be an arrogant jerk, I have awful mood swings I have a hard time relating to people most of the time, and If President I'd probably end up doing some terrible things that would make Stalin blush..... that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm fairly smart)
 
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LogicFail said:
Well that's his strength. He's a smart guy. (something even the pundits and opposition give him credit for). he's known for having creative ideas when dealing with complex issues.
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I'm not that familiar with what he's actually done. What "creative ideas" is he known for?

BTW: Having "creative ideas" does not necessarily equate to being smart. Creative ideas can be dumb.
 
Well he was responsible for much of the "republican revolution" list of legislation (much of which was agreed by many to be pretty good ideas) but then promptly blew a chance of passing much of it by pissing off half the house of representatives (and I mean the half that was on his side) lol
 
Newt creates ideas?! As far as I know, he just takes credit for others' ideals unless those ideals fail, then he distances himself from them. He flip-flops as much as Romney.
 
LogicFail said:
I recall the gentleman from Connecticut Leiberman being called a moderate by his opponents. I also recall Clinton being thrashed for his "moderate almost conservative views" during the 1992 democratic elections.

If you want cited sources, i don't care enough to go digging around for it on the internet...
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But in the rest of the industrialized world Clinton would be moderately conservative...
 
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