WTC collapses - Layman's terms again

Minadin said:
A relatively small amount of energy will be transmited to the lower parts of the structure that haven't been impacted yet when compared to the amount of energy at the impact front. Once the structure above fails, it's added to the moving mass and the eventual impact energy below is greater than it was above, due to the added mass and increased speed.

You say that the above is a stress analysis, but a stress analysis of what? It's not representative of the WTC towers, for one, and secondarily, you're clearly using it for visual impact only as it's quite impossible to extract any meaningful data from it.
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and on every floor a relatively small amount of energy will be transmited to the lower floors, and still not slowing down or aresting....

no it is clearly visible that it is not represantive for the WTC. it is just a very simple model, made in only 5 minutes. it is just to show that indeed energy is transmitted to the lower floors, and not only the most upper one is affected.

you extracted already the only data i wanted you to extract from it :)
 
Using the word "admitted" would suggest I was hiding or otherwise in disagreement with my statement beforehand. Why did you choose that word?
 
Minadin said:
Using the word "admitted" would suggest I was hiding or otherwise in disagreement with my statement beforehand. Why did you choose that word?
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ok lets say agreed on it, you like that better?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
maybe one of you oh so qualified super engineers can show me wrong.
why do you ppl always need some experts? are you not able to think yourself?
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I can think for myself about quantum physics or string theory, but that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about more than a physicist.
 
Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney
maybe one of you oh so qualified super engineers can show me wrong.
why do you ppl always need some experts? are you not able to think yourself?


LOL! Why utilize the knowledge of experts? What can they tell us about anything? Maybe they know more about specific areas but who cares? Think for yourself people, even if you are completely ignorant on a subject.

Troothers, this is why you are laughed at. You parade your ignorance like a badge of honor and wonder why after seven years you have only gone backwards.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
i'm not qualified nor experianced nor educated nor anything :)

would i be qualified, i would not be credible. i would just be a kook like without qualifications.

from your point of view
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What is your probelm telling us what you do or have done? I will tell you what I have done and do if it will make you feel better?

I just see you post about things and agree with that junk paper that Heiwa wrote and make declarations, yet you will not back them up and explain why you came to those conclusions. Heiwa is a fraud and I do not believe you believe his claims. You are arguing for the sake of it.
 
funk de fino said:
What is your probelm telling us what you do or have done? I will tell you what I have done and do if it will make you feel better?

I just see you post about things and agree with that junk paper that Heiwa wrote and make declarations, yet you will not back them up and explain why you came to those conclusions. Heiwa is a fraud and I do not believe you believe his claims. You are arguing for the sake of it.
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i got an education as a "Maschinen-Konstrukteur", i think thats translated in Machine-Designer.
Worked on high-pressure compressors.
Hyper Compressors
but also small compressors like this one
and natural gas and hydrogen refueling systems like this
but in the last few years i did not work on my learned job.
 
and now i best scann some evidence and send it to an admin :)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
why do you ppl always need some experts? are you not able to think yourself?
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Most people simply do not have the expertise to analyse such complex problems. Only a fool would think that he can understand things without training, better than people who do this for a living.

That's what school is for, but nobody can be knowledgeable in everything.
 
but nobody can be knowledgeable in everything

very true indeed
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but nobody can be knowledgeable in everything

very true indeed
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Given the state of human knowledge at this point in time, this statement is entirely trivial.

Why do you insist on dismissing the opinions of experts when they make statements that clearly lie within the sphere of their expertise?

It's almost as though you don't want to debate at all.

Do you have a position that you would like to defend DC?.... or would you rather just keep barking?
 
my position is that i want new independent investigations.
and i defend that.
i think the investigations we had till now didnt meet the requirements.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
my position is that i want new independent investigations.
and i defend that.
i think the investigations we had till now didnt meet the requirements.
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Here we go again...

1. Who pays the bills?

2. Who decides who sits on investigating panel? I would like to and I may be qualified due to my experience in Fire Protection Engineering (NFPA). You may not like my conclusions, though.

3. Government involvement (grand jury powers)?

4. What are we to investigate? What is missing from the previous investigations? Be specific here!

5. Do we have to listen to every kook with a theory (CIT, PFT, AE911, etc.) until our patience and/or funds are exhausted?

6. Do we have to keep doing it over until we come to a conclusion that you are satisfied with?

Just asking questions...
 
Dictator Cheney said:
i got an education as a "Maschinen-Konstrukteur", i think thats translated in Machine-Designer.
Worked on high-pressure compressors.
Hyper Compressors
but also small compressors like this one
and natural gas and hydrogen refueling systems like this
but in the last few years i did not work on my learned job.
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Good, this shows you know nothing about the design of tall buildings.

It should, however, mean you have a rudimentary grasp of physics, something you are singularly failing to display by posting in this thread in support of the junk Heiwa writes.

NIST explain very eloquently and in laymans terms why global collapse ensued. If you doubt this then show it is wrong. If you are incapable you should stick to compressors. Parroting others work without understanding it is always easy to spot. This shows in your tap dancing and avoidance of questions and your smartass attempts at humour and quickfire retorts.

You want a new investigation without having read and understood the ones already done, you just want an investigation for the sake of it and if it did not give you the correct result you would say it was flawed also. If it so important go and raise money and do a new one or get someone else to. The vast majority of the rest of your fellow human beings are satisfied with the investigations already carried out. Sucks to be a minority eh?

It is embarrassing pal, not quite on the Heiwa scale but you are getting there. I would be really impressed if you reached Terral scale though.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
my position is that i want new independent investigations.
and i defend that.
i think the investigations we had till now didnt meet the requirements.
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What, there is a new investigation by Heiwa; take that wonderful fantasy to the news agencies. I expect you support his failed work, it would be indicative or your engineering skills.

BTW great researcher, there were many independent investigation into 9/11, all you have is false information from 9/11 truth. This new investigation is just mantra from 9/11 truth, parroted by people whose total knowledge of 9/11 comes from 9/11 truth failed ideas

There were studies, it is not my fault you do not understand physics, math, structures, flying, USAF, US military, US culture, US government, or the greatest problem you fall for the false ideas of fools.
 
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