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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

arthwollipot said:
So it's arguably a hate crime.
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My goodness. I remember - you probably to do, too - all the times that atheists/agnostics purposely and intentionally ridiculed Christianity. So the Christians of the past should have been more homicidal? Then blasphemy laws would be okay? The Left's embrace of Islam is both ridiculous and frightening.
 
arthwollipot said:
So it's arguably a hate crime.
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It's quite similar to the 2008 'Host Desecration' Controversy in the US, although with more intention to cause offence than seemed to be the case in that one. That lead to death threats and iirc people turning up to the church with guns to 'defend' the host (it was a long time ago, I may be misremembering).

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Host desecration - Wikipedia

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I really only remember it from the thread here

Agular

Thread 'College Student Gets Death Threats for Smuggling ‘Body of Christ’'

Webster Cook says he received death threats and eternal damnation after he removed a wafer of bread from his mouth during communion and smuggled it from the church in a Ziploc bag.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,378081,00.html

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Some jokes come to mind, but I'll refrain.
 
Trausti said:
My goodness. I remember - you probably to do, too - all the times that atheists/agnostics purposely and intentionally ridiculed Christianity. So the Christians of the past should have been more homicidal? Then blasphemy laws would be okay? The Left's embrace of Islam is both ridiculous and frightening.
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Christians do not have a documented history of perpetuating violence against people who burn their holy book. Muslims do. It's a pretty reliable pattern.

Trausti said:
Art just wrote that it'd be a hate crime to ridicule Islam. On a "skeptics" forum. He wrote that.
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I did not. I said nothing about "ridicule". I said that it is arguably a hate crime to burn a Quran. You should not be saying that I'm saying things that I'm not saying.
 
arthwollipot said:
Christians do not have a documented history of perpetuating violence against people who burn their holy book. Muslims do. It's a pretty reliable pattern.
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Ugh. It doesn't matter the religion.

arthwollipot said:
I did not. I said nothing about "ridicule". I said that it is arguably a hate crime to burn a Quran. You should not be saying that I'm saying things that I'm not saying.
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It's arguably a hate crime to put a crucifix in a bottle urine, right?
 
Trausti said:
Ugh. It doesn't matter the religion.
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All religions are not the same. Muslims have a documented history of perpetuating violence against people who burn the Quran. You can't say the same of Christians.

Trausti said:
It's arguably a hate crime to put a crucifix in a bottle urine, right?
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It has indeed been argued such. Did Christians perpetuate violence against the person who did that?
 
arthwollipot said:
All religions are not the same. Muslims have a documented history of perpetuating violence against people who burn the Quran. You can't say the same of Christians.


It has indeed been argued such. Did Christians perpetuate violence against the person who did that?
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What do the two things have to do with each other? It's not a hate crime if it doesn't provoke a violent response? Christians have moral agency and Muslims don't?
 
arthwollipot said:
All religions are not the same. Muslims have a documented history of perpetuating violence against people who burn the Quran. You can't say the same of Christians.


It has indeed been argued such. Did Christians perpetuate violence against the person who did that?
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I don't disagree that muslims have a well-documented history of violence against non-believers in their religion as well as anyone who doesn't show proper deference and respect for their religion.

Which is part of why I find myself constantly flabbergasted when I run across left-leaning self-purported atheists who insist that christianity is a much bigger and more immediate threat to democracy and the developed world than islam is. Weird bunch of people out there.
 
arthwollipot said:
All religions are not the same. Muslims have a documented history of perpetuating violence against people who burn the Quran. You can't say the same of Christians.
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Is that like an excuse? You're excusing the bad behavior?

arthwollipot said:
It has indeed been argued such. Did Christians perpetuate violence against the person who did that?
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No. This happened in the US of A several decades ago when evangelicals had much more power/influence.
 
Mojo said:
Trausti said:
Art just wrote that it'd be a hate crime to ridicule Islam. On a "skeptics" forum. He wrote that.
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No, I'm asking you to quote the post.
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It's worse than that. He actually said that the fact that somebody knows that burning the Quran is likely to provoke a violent response is what makes burning the Quran arguably a hate crime.
 
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