Wormhole In The Bermuda Triangle?

I also answered a rephrased version of your question that didn't involve the Bermuda Triangle at all. I pointed out that it's the wrong question. Science doesn't really answer questions of "is it possible". It makes testable hypotheses that attempt to explain existing observations (evidence). As such, the third version of the question is the one that science actually addresses.
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I am not a scientist nor am I an academic nor am I an overly verbose kind of person.

As such, I do not have to state my questions in a five thousand word essay in order to get my point across.

I did not state any of those things you say I stated. I am not interested in hearing any more junk from you.

And I reported you for trolling.

Now get out of my face and let other posters answer my question. Any more junk and I will put you on ignore.
 
Eyeron said:
And I reported you for trolling.
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Good luck with that! Remind me again, what rule number is that?
Now get out of my face and let other posters answer my question. Any more junk and I will put you on ignore.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but you lack the authority to prevent me from posting on any thread I desire.

In case you haven't noticed, my answer agrees with the consensus answer you have received: to whit, no, because there is no Bermuda Triangle phenomenon in need of explanation.
 
A lot of you people would make very poor teachers because you can't answer simple questions without this kind of inference and forcing people to write a five thousand word essay to ask a simple question.

And you are now on ignore.
 
Hi Eyeron
I don't know what "scientifically possible" is. Something either is or isn't impossible.

At the moment, the most favoured theories do not reasonably allow for traversable wormholes, let alone ones that can be reliably anchored in the vicinity of Bermuda. Broadly speaking, the theory in which wormholes arise is general relativity, and wormholes are basically not traversable in GR by so much as a subatomic particle let alone boat or planefuls of subatomic particles. One can postulate weird stuff to fix that, but the emphasis is very much on weird, and very much on unobserved, and very much on troublesome if observed.

I would not use the phrase "impossible" or "scientifically impossible", but the idea is scientifically completely unjustified and essentially "poppycock". It has effectively no basis in science.
 
Eyeron, you asked whether "disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle ... are being caused by an underwater wormhole". The fact is that there are no disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle above and beyond the normal hazards of the sea. That is a perfectly good answer to your question. You are mistaken to interpret it as trolling.

If you had asked, for example, "Is it possible that the aliens responsible for crop circles got here through a wormhole", it would be apropos to point out that aliens are not, in fact, responsible for crop circles. If you had asked, "Is it possible that spontaneous human combustion is caused by wormholes" we would probably point out that there's no evidence for spontaneous human combustion.

Perhaps you'd like to ask, "Could a wormhole eat a ship?" The answer is: not without also eating the ocean and the atmosphere and generally making itself very obvious.
 
Okay, thank you edd.

Look everyone, I apologize for my hostility. I simply wanted a question to be answered and not a lecture or on what I did or didn't say or on how I'm supposed to say it using what terms. I also just wanted to see a discussion on the subject as well. One of the things I like about forums is seeing discussions on certain kinds of topics and watching other people discuss things helps me to find out things for myself.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
And since we're observing a rise in sea levels, then there must be a worm hole in the Atlantic whose other opening is in a very Earth-like planet in an ocean at a point where the water pressure is higher than the pressure at our opening!
QED!
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Hmmm. I think the answer is simpler than that. Clearly there is a wormhole near Bermuda sucking in all kinds of passing traffic. But the other end, the 'exit' point if you will, is probably situated in the Indian Ocean. This would explain both the rise in ocean levels and the preponderance of old ships that miraculously turn up in the breakers' yards in Bangladesh.

PS: Joe, I'm worried that you're feeling a bit lonely now that you've been put on 'ignore' by whatsisname. How are you coping?
 
ben m said:
Eyeron, you asked whether "disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle ... are being caused by an underwater wormhole". The fact is that there are no disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle above and beyond the normal hazards of the sea. That is a perfectly good answer to your question. You are mistaken to interpret it as trolling.

If you had asked, for example, "Is it possible that the aliens responsible for crop circles got here through a wormhole", it would be apropos to point out that aliens are not, in fact, responsible for crop circles. If you had asked, "Is it possible that spontaneous human combustion is caused by wormholes" we would probably point out that there's no evidence for spontaneous human combustion.

Perhaps you'd like to ask, "Could a wormhole eat a ship?" The answer is: not without also eating the ocean and the atmosphere and generally making itself very obvious.
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Ben, you are so on his list now! How dare you rephrase his question to one that might be what he actually intended! :)

The Drain said:
Hmmm. I think the answer is simpler than that. Clearly there is a wormhole near Bermuda sucking in all kinds of passing traffic. But the other end, the 'exit' point if you will, is probably situated in the Indian Ocean. This would explain both the rise in ocean levels and the preponderance of old ships that miraculously turn up in the breakers' yards in Bangladesh.
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Excellent! Both ends of the wormhole in the Earth's oceans. My guess is they move up and down (so that the relative water pressures cause the flow to reverse directions now and then).

It also explains the Flying Dutchman.

And it explains the otherwise inexplicable tides! (No wait, I think I went too far.)

The Drain said:
PS: Joe, I'm worried that you're feeling a bit lonely now that you've been put on 'ignore' by whatsisname. How are you coping?
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I'm devastated! I'm contemplating suicide over it! I might just take that Caribbean Cruise I've been thinking about. . . .
;)

By the way, another contribution to the topic:
Indeed, a check of the records by Lloyds of London and the U.S. Coast Guard showed that the losses in the Bermuda Triangle are not markedly different from any other comparable area in the world.
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Linky.

And this:
More significantly, a check of Lloyd's of London's accident records by the editor of Fate in 1975 showed that the Trianglewas no more dangerous than any other part of the ocean. U.S. Coast Guard records confirmed this and since that time no good arguments have ever been made to refute those statistics.
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Linky.

But as I said, even if the Bermuda Triangle phenomenon were real, and even if there were a wormhole in the ocean (opened up presumably using the energy of a massive star somewhere not near the Earth) eating up the sunken ships and planes, said wormhole would still not be an explanation for the disappearances, since any planes and ships that fell into such a wormhole had to have already sunk and been as "disappeared" as the stories claim.
 
Eyeron said:
I am not a scientist nor am I an academic nor am I an overly verbose kind of person.

As such, I do not have to state my questions in a five thousand word essay in order to get my point across.

I did not state any of those things you say I stated. I am not interested in hearing any more junk from you.

And I reported you for trolling.

Now get out of my face and let other posters answer my question. Any more junk and I will put you on ignore.
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Get over yourself. Joe answered your question, and I will do so again, tersely:

Even if there were such a phenomenon (which there isn't), wormholes would not be a plausible explanation.
 
Eyeron said:
Look everyone, I apologize for my hostility.
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No problem. It happens.

However. . .

I simply wanted a question to be answered and not a lecture or on what I did or didn't say or on how I'm supposed to say it using what terms. I also just wanted to see a discussion on the subject as well.
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The above is inconsistent with the following:
One of the things I like about forums is seeing discussions on certain kinds of topics and watching other people discuss things helps me to find out things for myself.
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It sounds like you wanted to start a thread about a wormhole in the Bermuda Triangle but you were not at all interested in talk about the Bermuda Triangle.

Based on your second post, I was guessing that you weren't interested in the Bermuda Triangle, so I attempted to re-cast your question as one that didn't involve the Bermuda Triangle. (I even clearly said that's what I was doing.)

Then you got upset. I appreciate and accept your apology, but you still seem to think you were somehow wronged by my (and others) honest attempts at answering your question.
 
ben m said:
The fact is that there are no disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle above and beyond the normal hazards of the sea.
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"Myth 1.

“A check of Lloyd’s of London’s accident records by the editor of Fate in 1975 showed that the triangle was a no more dangerous part of the ocean than any other. U.S. Coast Guard records confirmed this and since that time no good arguments have ever been made to refute those statistics. So the Bermuda Triangle mystery disappeared, in the same way many of its supposed victims had vanished.”

"Fact 1

"This is completely false. Lloyd’s does not insure the smaller stuff, so all yachts go unreported and uncataloged in statistics. Lloyd’s seldom insures the smaller charter and private aircraft, so likewise for them. Lloyd’s is not the ultimate source. It is not a marine investigation bureau. It reports on sailing news relevant to insurance.

"US Coast Guard SAR (Search and Rescue) statistics for all districts are published yearly in a thick voluminous report. This details the statistics for calls of assistance, causes of accidents, weather, deaths, conditions, whatever. However, missing vessels are not readily included. In reality, the designation Overdue Vessels are more important. But because it is hard to determine the number of people on board and exactly where the vessel last was, 'missing' or 'overdue' cannot be easily calculated. They may be catagorized under 'caused by other factor' if at all. I have just received a list of vessels from the 7th district after 12 years of asking for and being denied missing vessel statistics, always receiving the reply 'nobody tracks such statistics.' For the last 2 fiscal years this includes about 300 vessel names or types. And now I must start my search, to see which reported back to port (if any), what the weather conditions were like, etc.

"The Coast Guard is not even capable of accurately determining the numbers, and therefore could never have conducted a study. What they probably did was comment on the popular notion that 20 aircraft and 50 ships are missing. That number was bandied about incessantly in the 1970s and is still in the Encyclopedia Britannica. This number is not extraordinary for 100 years, though it is more aircraft than elsewhere over seas.

"NTSB database searches reveal that in the last decade only a handful of aircraft disappearances have occurred off New England while over 30 have happened in the Triangle. These are American statistics only, and do not reflect other nationalities.

"Then there are those who claim the disparity is due to the Triangle’s greater amount of traffic. In reality, the 1st Coast Guard district answers about just as many calls for assistance as the 7th, but the number of disappearances is still remarkably different."

See http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/myths___facts.html
 
At some point I'd have to ask about the possibilities of wormholes, too. I know that mathematically they are possible but the reality of their existance or mechanism for their creation...isn't that pretty shakey?
 
Humanzee said:
At some point I'd have to ask about the possibilities of wormholes, too. I know that mathematically they are possible but the reality of their existance or mechanism for their creation...isn't that pretty shakey?
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Mathematically, they only exist on the subatomic scale. Nothing can pass through them, and even if they were larger, any mass passing through them gives them energy, which makes them instantly collapse.

Furthermore, even though they have been demonstrated to be mathematically possible, they've never been observed or confirmed to actually exist.

So no, nothing can pass through a wormhole.
 
Eyeron, your "simple" question implied one or more assumptions. Part of critical thinking is examining such unspoken assumptions.
 
I will re-ask Eyeron's question in a manner that is equally meaningful, but perhaps better understandable: is it possible that the magical appearance of flying pigs in the Vermont pentangle is caused by a chrono-synclastic infundibulum?
 
bruto said:
I will re-ask Eyeron's question in a manner that is equally meaningful, but perhaps better understandable: is it possible that the magical appearance of flying pigs in the Vermont pentangle is caused by a chrono-synclastic infundibulum?
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Only if you've reversed the polarity of the neutron flow.
 
Thanks, Mashuna, it's all clear now.

Questions for Eyeron:
Where exactly is the Bermuda Triangle?
Why do you think there's an observable phenomena in the Bermuda Triangle which needs an explanation?
 
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