Worldwide DDoS Attack

[RedStapler]

*snipped irrelevant ranting*

But feel free to ignore the inconvenient facts involved.

You mean like the fact that no one needs high bandwidth available to perform a DDOS?

 

[The Atheist]

You mean like the fact that no one needs high bandwidth available to perform a DDOS?

Well, a nice step down from strawman to misrepresentation, so we're on the right track.

I said:

The scripts and bots are irrelevant - it's traffic, which requires enormous bandwidth.

The person or group doing it doesn't need enormous bandwidth, but the attack itself uses an enormous amount of data, and therefore bandwidth.

Fancy another try?

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'll just sit on the evidence of five intelligence agencies being involved to say it was an unusually sophisticated and large attack.

Whether we ever know who it was, I don't know, but I'd bet on probably not.

I'd say that the Intelligence agencies are more likely to be interested because of the targets. Taking down Wikipedia or Sony isn't going to concern a government, taking down the stock market in one of the five English speaking major western countries, now that will get those government's attention.

When you take out the NZX for four days, then who's to say that isn't practice for taking out the Dow Jones, NASDAQ or NIKKEI next? Imagine the chaos you could cause taking them down for a week or two. That's why the Five Eyes are involved.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Well, a nice step down from strawman to misrepresentation, so we're on the right track.

I said:

The scripts and bots are irrelevant - it's traffic, which requires enormous bandwidth.

The person or group doing it doesn't need enormous bandwidth, but the attack itself uses an enormous amount of data, and therefore bandwidth.

Fancy another try?

The problem is that that sort of bandwidth only becomes an issue at the victim's servers, which is kinda the point of a DDoS. You have repeatedly made the claim that it would require a large organised attacker to have that sort of bandwidth to launch such an attack. This simply isn't true.

 

[theprestige]

Well, a nice step down from strawman to misrepresentation, so we're on the right track.

I said:

The scripts and bots are irrelevant - it's traffic, which requires enormous bandwidth.

The person or group doing it doesn't need enormous bandwidth, but the attack itself uses an enormous amount of data, and therefore bandwidth.

Fancy another try?

This is not even wrong.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Well, a nice step down from strawman to misrepresentation, so we're on the right track.

I said:

The scripts and bots are irrelevant - it's traffic, which requires enormous bandwidth.

The person or group doing it doesn't need enormous bandwidth, but the attack itself uses an enormous amount of data, and therefore bandwidth.

Fancy another try?

you actually said....

Very few people have access to the bandwidth for this level of attack. The scripts and bots are irrelevant - it's traffic, which requires enormous bandwidth.

would you like to clarify your answers here, you seem contradicting yourself.

 

[RedStapler]

Well, a nice step down from strawman to misrepresentation, so we're on the right track.

I said:

The scripts and bots are irrelevant - it's traffic, which requires enormous bandwidth.

The person or group doing it doesn't need enormous bandwidth, but the attack itself uses an enormous amount of data, and therefore bandwidth.

Fancy another try?

This is what you left out.

Very few people have access to the bandwidth for this level of attack.

Please clarify. Why is "enormous bandwidth" required?

 

[theprestige]

"the attack itself uses an enormous amount of data"

That's the thing, though: It doesn't. There's almost no data involved at all. Typically it's a flood very small, very cheap packets. Basic service inquiries like DNS lookups or even simple pings. Each packet only takes a few milliseconds to examine. Service is denied when all the examinations add up to overwhelm the examining device.

Like a telephone operator that can't put any calls through because a thousand people keep dialing the switchboard and hanging up as soon as the operator answers.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Like a telephone operator that can't put any calls through because a thousand people keep dialing the switchboard and hanging up as soon as the operator answers.

Even better, some attacks act like legitimate calls, but then use the technique of spending five minutes telling the operator the number they want.

 

[The Atheist]

Why is "enormous bandwidth" required?

1+1=2.

If the incoming data is 10tbs, then the outgoing amount is the same, and it's not going on for ten minutes, this is happening over the course of several hours. Yes, that could be spread across millions of devices and be unnoticed, but I doubt it, mainly because of the targets involved.

You're talking about either the largest botnet in operation, or someone with access to huge upload capability within their group.

I think the latter is more likely, hence why I think the SEA or North Korea is more likely.

Hey, I'm quite happy to be proven wrong, so I'll wait and see what GCSB says.

 

[RedStapler]

1+1=2.

If the incoming data is 10tbs, then the outgoing amount is the same, and it's not going on for ten minutes, this is happening over the course of several hours. Yes, that could be spread across millions of devices and be unnoticed, but I doubt it, mainly because of the targets involved.

You're talking about either the largest botnet in operation, or someone with access to huge upload capability within their group.

I think the latter is more likely, hence why I think the SEA or North Korea is more likely.

Hey, I'm quite happy to be proven wrong, so I'll wait and see what GCSB says.

None of this drivel answers the question But thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are talking about.

Keep pushing your ridiculous narrative of "massive bandwidth is required, MUST be a big player". Pathetic.

 

[Tolls]

I would be surprised if the NZ security agencies (no idea of their structure) didn't get involved in some way for almost any cyber attack.

The NCSC here in the UK does.

So using that as a pointer to it being a state actor really doesn't work.

 

[LondonJohn]

eBay is currently badly affected for me in the UK. I've just cross-checked, and it seems that this is part of the targeted DDoS attack.