Dr H
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Are you sure this actually happened? Do you have a link to a source?
Or could you be thinking of an urban legend-like variation of this:
http://tinyurl.com/o7mh3
Woman nearly drowns on Geller TV show
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Are you sure this actually happened? Do you have a link to a source?
Or could you be thinking of an urban legend-like variation of this:
http://tinyurl.com/o7mh3
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a hoax, to attract more viewers for the next episodes. Something similar happened on the Dutch show, where, during practise, one of the 'mentalists' was wounded by a spear. I'll bet that attracted many more viewers.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132694
(Scroll down a bit)
I don't believe the program's producers would allow for the change for REAL injury.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132694
(Scroll down a bit)
I don't believe the program's producers would allow for the change for REAL injury.
Christian Klippel
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Hello,
here is the section of the show where it happens:
I'm pretty sure that the whole thing was staged to add some drama to the show. Because the TV station Pro7 isn't known for accurate reporting, but for a lot of sensationalism and "entertainment" of rather low quality. It's one of the private TV stations here in Germany.
Greetings,
Chris
here is the section of the show where it happens:
I'm pretty sure that the whole thing was staged to add some drama to the show. Because the TV station Pro7 isn't known for accurate reporting, but for a lot of sensationalism and "entertainment" of rather low quality. It's one of the private TV stations here in Germany.
Greetings,
Chris
Rasmus
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Right. I am embarrassed to be on the same planet.
Could somebody explain to my
a) why they would need *two* people rushing on the stage to get the thing open? One to break the lock, maybe. Another one to open the lid, with 3 other people being on stage as it is? Hardly.
b) why *on earth* they wouldn't just open the damn piece of paper that had the right numbers on it and try those if they thought things were going badly? Or simply ask the guy who knew the numbers? He was right there, after all! Something like "oh god it's 1963, quick! open it open it open it!" might have worked.
c) how come that if the woman allegedly nearly just drowned that they discuss if the guy concentrated on the right numbers instead of, uh, giving some medical attention to the fraud in the tank?
Could somebody explain to my
a) why they would need *two* people rushing on the stage to get the thing open? One to break the lock, maybe. Another one to open the lid, with 3 other people being on stage as it is? Hardly.
b) why *on earth* they wouldn't just open the damn piece of paper that had the right numbers on it and try those if they thought things were going badly? Or simply ask the guy who knew the numbers? He was right there, after all! Something like "oh god it's 1963, quick! open it open it open it!" might have worked.
c) how come that if the woman allegedly nearly just drowned that they discuss if the guy concentrated on the right numbers instead of, uh, giving some medical attention to the fraud in the tank?
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I wonder if we can convince Sylvia Browne to try this, minus the bolt cutters? 
(If Sylvia or any of Sylvia's people are reading this, it is a JOKE!! It is in no way a veiled threat of any sort.)
(If Sylvia or any of Sylvia's people are reading this, it is a JOKE!! It is in no way a veiled threat of any sort.)
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I wonder if we can convince Sylvia Browne to try this, minus the bolt cutters?
(If Sylvia or any of Sylvia's people are reading this, it is a JOKE!! It is in no way a veiled threat of any sort.)
I just got the most horrible mental image of Sylvia in a bathing suit.
Rrose Selavy
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Haven't seen the clip yet but yeah, it sounds more and more like another contrived "incident " to get attention and headlines for another of Geller's tedious vehicles for attempted reinvention (like Jim Callaghans's hissy fit on Phenomena) .
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I just got the most horrible mental image of Sylvia in a bathing suit.
THAT is just beyond disturbing.
rjh01
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I watched the video yesterday. She had hardly a chance. As soon as she was locked up she was in trouble. They should have given her 5 minutes at least. But then it looked more like a soft core porn video than anything else.
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Yes, I've just now seen the video. No panic. Not very dramatic either,
though, I must say (assuming it was engineered and not an honest ballzup).
Not a patch on my own near drowning under the dive boat in Cyprus (I was
"this close" to taking a breath of water).
I still much prefer Randi's trick with the milk churn full of water.
There's at least one death which is strongly suspected to be connected to
the practise. Not under any sort of scientific supervision, of course:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/453661.stm
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One more question I have:
If I am responsible for the show, and I am clever enough to see a thin possibility that she might not be able to guess the right numbers, and I have people ready to get the woman out in the case of an emergency ...
why not just make sure that there is a quick-release drain or something that will simply take out the water in as little time as possible, thus ensuring that the woman will be in the air, rather than just have a way to open the lid of the glass tube - which might still leave her submerged and unconscious in a real emergency.
Why not at the very least have a guy rush in there with a large hammer?
If I am responsible for the show, and I am clever enough to see a thin possibility that she might not be able to guess the right numbers, and I have people ready to get the woman out in the case of an emergency ...
why not just make sure that there is a quick-release drain or something that will simply take out the water in as little time as possible, thus ensuring that the woman will be in the air, rather than just have a way to open the lid of the glass tube - which might still leave her submerged and unconscious in a real emergency.
Why not at the very least have a guy rush in there with a large hammer?
Rasmus
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Well, it would have hardly been as
Rrose Selavy
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Hmmm....maybe I should check out that YouTube link after all. Purely in the interests of skeptical research you understand...
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I found this video clip on YouTube. Can someone do a brief translation?
It did seem like the "save" was really quick. Although I respect her for attempting that stunt wearing those boots.
It did seem like the "save" was really quick. Although I respect her for attempting that stunt wearing those boots.
I found this video clip on YouTube. Can someone do a brief translation?
It did seem like the "save" was really quick. Although I respect her for attempting that stunt wearing those boots.
Boiled down, the bod with the long hair sets a combination on the bicycle
lock thingy. Bint goes into the tube, it's locked, and she has to "read his
mind" to get the 4 digits of the combination. She fails to "read" correctly
and an igor comes in with bolt cutters to open the lock before she drowns.
Sensation!
Alareth
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Woah woah woah ... Are you trying to imply that Uri Gellar knowingly be involved in any form of public deception !?!
Christian Klippel
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I'm making a translation now, should be done in half an hour or an hour ....
Greetings,
Chris
Greetings,
Chris
Christian Klippel
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Hello all,
here is the translation, up to 9:34 in the video, because the rest is really uninteresting. If there is need, i can translate the remainder as well.
Don't complain about capitalizing, i simply didn't capitalize anything. I also lost track of who is the moderator, who is the guest woman, etc... Too much chicks there
But i'm sure you get who is who.
Remember that English isn't my native language, so if anything is unclear, just ask me for clarification, i'll try my best then.
And if you need some other stuff translated from German to English, feel free to ask me. As long as it serves a good purpose, that is...
Greetings,
Chris
she: <unintelligible> ..special help ... from you two, please follw me.
male guest: <unintelligible>
<applause>
male guest: <mumble> ... ah, look, im already abulic. hahh...
she: simon and mariella, please.
male guest: all right ..... is this going to be something stressfull? we two could make it comfortable ourselves in the hotel., we two.
she: later, simon.
she: first, place yourself <unintelligible>
moderator: good evening you two. you come here to me please. hello simon, hello mariella.
simply go here. just a short explanation. in this tank you can see,
there fits about one thousand liters of water, so, a lot of water.
an this is where amila soon gets in, and then the lid is simply closed.
ok?
following that, there will be pumped water into the tank unless no more air is left.
amila?
female mentalist: this lid will be locked by this number-combination lock.
my job is to find out the combination for that number-lock, before the tank is completely filled with water.
and this job, my dear, is yours (to the male guest).
male guest: ok.
mentalist: i'll explain you briefly how that number-combination lock works, yes? this is one of the locks
where you can choose the combination yourself, ok? currently the standard code, 4 times the zero, is selected. ok?
this works, (him: does it make a difference?) yes, i'll exlain it to you now. the lever is pushed upwards, and then
we dial in, for example, three times the zero and the nine. yes? then we dial down down again and plug in the lock,
and this way the zero-zero-zero-zero is activated, and this way it now opens, ok?
him: ok, i understood.
mentalist: i'm moving it again.
him: start at zero-zero-zero.
mentalist: exactly. have you understood it?
him: yes.
mentalist: or should i repeat it?
him: but you have to look away.
mentalist: i'm looking away soon. marianne (?, means the female moderator) will cover my eyes, so i cant see anything
for which code you decide.
him: and you really want to go into that "dixie klo"? {"dixie klo" is a prtable toilet cabin, dont know the translation
for it, since that is german slang}
mentalist: i'm going into that dixie, right.
him: when do i do it, do that thing with the code?
<applause>
<unintelligible>
womans, two of them: i'm agitated.
him: im totally agitated.
mentalist: just a moment. verena?
verena: yea?
<unintelligible>
mentalist: your job is to write down the code now. and then fold this piece of paper, fold it,
and hold it to your heart, ok?
she: ok.
mentalist: can we start?
him: yes.
mentalist: yea. mariella, please cover my esey.
moderator: wait a second, her eyes are getting covered just now.
mentalist: simon, you have your (one?) code in your head?
him: what have i?
moderator: it's your turn!
him: my turn, ah, ok, then i'm doing it.
mentalist: and verena, please write down {copy} the code.
moderator: ok, i will do.
him: stop ... so .... there is something ... aehm, so ... aehm, so ... and so ....
moderator: before you turn it around you (we) have to write it down.
him: ok.
moderator: ok. this here, where it is marked.
him: yes, ok.
mentalist: are you done, simon?
moderator: moment {just a second}
him: just a moment
moderator: moment, i'm already writing.
him: all clear.... exactly.
moderator: i already have shaky hands.
him: and now? what i'm doing? what should i do now?
moderator: now ... you flip it .... in there.
him: now ... i'm just hiding it now.
moderator: right ... right .... we are, we have written it down anyways.
him: yes!
moderaotr: amila?
metalist: yes. ready? can i turn around?
moderator: now i hide the paper.
other girl: can she turn around?
moderator: no, i have still to hide the paper. i'm not that fast .. a second ... the most important.
mentalist: take your time.
moderator: so, hold it to my heart.
him: in the décolleté!
moderator: fits in. no, its too tight. ok, we are ready.
mentalist: ok .... thank you mariella. <short pause> simon and mariella, please follow me
to the other side of the tank.
him: ok. <pause> but she's (?, it's?) alraedy wet?
mentalist: i'm going to be wet soon.
him: ok.
moderator: he's already eager of that.
mentalist: simon, i'm now going in there, and you will put the lock ... on the tank. first,
you move this bar 90 degrees to the left. then you lock the tank. scramble your code, very important,
and if you move (lock) this bar to left you also automatically engange the water flow-in.
him: ok.
menatlais: but have to hurry up.
him: yes, ok, i'll do.
mentalist: mariella, your job is to enter the code and hope that the lock will open, because i'm
going to write it onto that board. in the water tank.
ok. the number that i'm going to write down for you then, you will enter it {into the lock} and hope that
the tank will open. ok?
woman: i hope so.
him: man, man, man... {she: can we start?} you are doing things .... on tv... this is dangerous, sweetheart.
menatalist: yes.
him: ok.
mentalist: yes ... we will just try it now, ok. ready?
him: read, yes.
woman: you just play tarzan and save her.
him: i have to be quick.
moderator: now we have to open the lid first.
him: i have a totally responsible job now, dudes. i have to concentrate.
moderator. so...
mentalist: <goes in> now concentrate exactly about what i have told you earlier. i'm taking the fulhim: l responsibility now.
him: cannonball or take a header? psst.
womane: she has to concentrate.
him: wow!
<boring music playing, .... people whistling>
him: ok.
moderator: moment, the lid has to be closed first, attention.
him: ok, ok.
moderator: remember, as soon as you turned this, the water will rise.
him: ok, one two three, lets go.
moderator. quick now, because the water, you can see it already rising.
him: woah, oh, oh, oh ...
moderator: concentrate!
him: calm down, simon, calm down.
moderator: exactly.
him: all clear
modeartor: scramble it.
him: all clear. all fixed.
<some woman>: could you go to he other side noe, quick?
<woman>: go to the other side, quick!
him: me, to the other side? all right, all right.
mentalist: hold your hand against mine. concentrate very strong, now on the
first digit of you choosen code.
him: mhhmhh.
menatlist. ok? <writes a number, shows him>
him: mmhmmh {acknowledging}
him: really hard to concentrate and not to think about some really horny stuff.
mentalist: concentrate really hard.
him: mmmhmmmh.
mentalist: {shows code 1933 to moderator and woman}
mod & woman try code, doesnt work. (doesnt work? no doesnt. doesnt open? no.)
moderator: that doesnt work, mila. try again. it doesnt work.
mentalist: concentrate harder, simon.
him: what? ok. <unintelligible>
women: .... before the water rise ...
him: i'm doing that ....
one woman: now the air gets short... take a deep breath once more ... not much
space anymore, it's getting tight...
woman: as soon as the numer is there you have to hurry up. doesat work? then do ...
...doesnt' work! no.....
other woman: ****.... shut up....
some woman: doesn't work ... doesn't work ...
{guy with wire cutter approaches ... cuts the lock's wire ....}
him: open quickly!
one woman: open the lid, open the lid!
{whowho}
one woman: it (didn't ?) worked.
him: but i really thought about it ... i had, i had ...
woman: is this the number you had in mind?
him: show me. no!
woman: what? no? this is the number i had written down.
him: what? wait a second.
woman: simon, you didnt take it serious. is this the number, before i open it.
him: which number. this number?
woman: this number here?
him: of course it is the number. {she: sure} yea.
woman: we check the number. come to the other side.
him: i mean the number down there.
woman: one-nine-two-three is the number you just gave me. that i wrote down {had copied}
him: no! this is the number!
woman: exactly! and this is the number that open the lock!
him: yes!
woman: exactly: that number is wrong. but that is the number you thought about?
him: of course! james bond, goldfinger, 1963 ... no kidding here ... i didn't made a joke!
james bond, goldfinger, 1963....
woman: amila, what happened? this is the number we had, you had one-nine-three-two.
{camera on lock, showing completely different number}
here is the translation, up to 9:34 in the video, because the rest is really uninteresting. If there is need, i can translate the remainder as well.
Don't complain about capitalizing, i simply didn't capitalize anything. I also lost track of who is the moderator, who is the guest woman, etc... Too much chicks there
But i'm sure you get who is who.Remember that English isn't my native language, so if anything is unclear, just ask me for clarification, i'll try my best then.
And if you need some other stuff translated from German to English, feel free to ask me. As long as it serves a good purpose, that is...
Greetings,
Chris
she: <unintelligible> ..special help ... from you two, please follw me.
male guest: <unintelligible>
<applause>
male guest: <mumble> ... ah, look, im already abulic. hahh...
she: simon and mariella, please.
male guest: all right ..... is this going to be something stressfull? we two could make it comfortable ourselves in the hotel., we two.
she: later, simon.
she: first, place yourself <unintelligible>
moderator: good evening you two. you come here to me please. hello simon, hello mariella.
simply go here. just a short explanation. in this tank you can see,
there fits about one thousand liters of water, so, a lot of water.
an this is where amila soon gets in, and then the lid is simply closed.
ok?
following that, there will be pumped water into the tank unless no more air is left.
amila?
female mentalist: this lid will be locked by this number-combination lock.
my job is to find out the combination for that number-lock, before the tank is completely filled with water.
and this job, my dear, is yours (to the male guest).
male guest: ok.
mentalist: i'll explain you briefly how that number-combination lock works, yes? this is one of the locks
where you can choose the combination yourself, ok? currently the standard code, 4 times the zero, is selected. ok?
this works, (him: does it make a difference?) yes, i'll exlain it to you now. the lever is pushed upwards, and then
we dial in, for example, three times the zero and the nine. yes? then we dial down down again and plug in the lock,
and this way the zero-zero-zero-zero is activated, and this way it now opens, ok?
him: ok, i understood.
mentalist: i'm moving it again.
him: start at zero-zero-zero.
mentalist: exactly. have you understood it?
him: yes.
mentalist: or should i repeat it?
him: but you have to look away.
mentalist: i'm looking away soon. marianne (?, means the female moderator) will cover my eyes, so i cant see anything
for which code you decide.
him: and you really want to go into that "dixie klo"? {"dixie klo" is a prtable toilet cabin, dont know the translation
for it, since that is german slang}
mentalist: i'm going into that dixie, right.
him: when do i do it, do that thing with the code?
<applause>
<unintelligible>
womans, two of them: i'm agitated.
him: im totally agitated.
mentalist: just a moment. verena?
verena: yea?
<unintelligible>
mentalist: your job is to write down the code now. and then fold this piece of paper, fold it,
and hold it to your heart, ok?
she: ok.
mentalist: can we start?
him: yes.
mentalist: yea. mariella, please cover my esey.
moderator: wait a second, her eyes are getting covered just now.
mentalist: simon, you have your (one?) code in your head?
him: what have i?
moderator: it's your turn!
him: my turn, ah, ok, then i'm doing it.
mentalist: and verena, please write down {copy} the code.
moderator: ok, i will do.
him: stop ... so .... there is something ... aehm, so ... aehm, so ... and so ....
moderator: before you turn it around you (we) have to write it down.
him: ok.
moderator: ok. this here, where it is marked.
him: yes, ok.
mentalist: are you done, simon?
moderator: moment {just a second}
him: just a moment
moderator: moment, i'm already writing.
him: all clear.... exactly.
moderator: i already have shaky hands.
him: and now? what i'm doing? what should i do now?
moderator: now ... you flip it .... in there.
him: now ... i'm just hiding it now.
moderator: right ... right .... we are, we have written it down anyways.
him: yes!
moderaotr: amila?
metalist: yes. ready? can i turn around?
moderator: now i hide the paper.
other girl: can she turn around?
moderator: no, i have still to hide the paper. i'm not that fast .. a second ... the most important.
mentalist: take your time.
moderator: so, hold it to my heart.
him: in the décolleté!
moderator: fits in. no, its too tight. ok, we are ready.
mentalist: ok .... thank you mariella. <short pause> simon and mariella, please follow me
to the other side of the tank.
him: ok. <pause> but she's (?, it's?) alraedy wet?
mentalist: i'm going to be wet soon.
him: ok.
moderator: he's already eager of that.
mentalist: simon, i'm now going in there, and you will put the lock ... on the tank. first,
you move this bar 90 degrees to the left. then you lock the tank. scramble your code, very important,
and if you move (lock) this bar to left you also automatically engange the water flow-in.
him: ok.
menatlais: but have to hurry up.
him: yes, ok, i'll do.
mentalist: mariella, your job is to enter the code and hope that the lock will open, because i'm
going to write it onto that board. in the water tank.
ok. the number that i'm going to write down for you then, you will enter it {into the lock} and hope that
the tank will open. ok?
woman: i hope so.
him: man, man, man... {she: can we start?} you are doing things .... on tv... this is dangerous, sweetheart.
menatalist: yes.
him: ok.
mentalist: yes ... we will just try it now, ok. ready?
him: read, yes.
woman: you just play tarzan and save her.
him: i have to be quick.
moderator: now we have to open the lid first.
him: i have a totally responsible job now, dudes. i have to concentrate.
moderator. so...
mentalist: <goes in> now concentrate exactly about what i have told you earlier. i'm taking the fulhim: l responsibility now.
him: cannonball or take a header? psst.
womane: she has to concentrate.
him: wow!
<boring music playing, .... people whistling>
him: ok.
moderator: moment, the lid has to be closed first, attention.
him: ok, ok.
moderator: remember, as soon as you turned this, the water will rise.
him: ok, one two three, lets go.
moderator. quick now, because the water, you can see it already rising.
him: woah, oh, oh, oh ...
moderator: concentrate!
him: calm down, simon, calm down.
moderator: exactly.
him: all clear
modeartor: scramble it.
him: all clear. all fixed.
<some woman>: could you go to he other side noe, quick?
<woman>: go to the other side, quick!
him: me, to the other side? all right, all right.
mentalist: hold your hand against mine. concentrate very strong, now on the
first digit of you choosen code.
him: mhhmhh.
menatlist. ok? <writes a number, shows him>
him: mmhmmh {acknowledging}
him: really hard to concentrate and not to think about some really horny stuff.
mentalist: concentrate really hard.
him: mmmhmmmh.
mentalist: {shows code 1933 to moderator and woman}
mod & woman try code, doesnt work. (doesnt work? no doesnt. doesnt open? no.)
moderator: that doesnt work, mila. try again. it doesnt work.
mentalist: concentrate harder, simon.
him: what? ok. <unintelligible>
women: .... before the water rise ...
him: i'm doing that ....
one woman: now the air gets short... take a deep breath once more ... not much
space anymore, it's getting tight...
woman: as soon as the numer is there you have to hurry up. doesat work? then do ...
...doesnt' work! no.....
other woman: ****.... shut up....
some woman: doesn't work ... doesn't work ...
{guy with wire cutter approaches ... cuts the lock's wire ....}
him: open quickly!
one woman: open the lid, open the lid!
{whowho}
one woman: it (didn't ?) worked.
him: but i really thought about it ... i had, i had ...
woman: is this the number you had in mind?
him: show me. no!
woman: what? no? this is the number i had written down.
him: what? wait a second.
woman: simon, you didnt take it serious. is this the number, before i open it.
him: which number. this number?
woman: this number here?
him: of course it is the number. {she: sure} yea.
woman: we check the number. come to the other side.
him: i mean the number down there.
woman: one-nine-two-three is the number you just gave me. that i wrote down {had copied}
him: no! this is the number!
woman: exactly! and this is the number that open the lock!
him: yes!
woman: exactly: that number is wrong. but that is the number you thought about?
him: of course! james bond, goldfinger, 1963 ... no kidding here ... i didn't made a joke!
james bond, goldfinger, 1963....
woman: amila, what happened? this is the number we had, you had one-nine-three-two.
{camera on lock, showing completely different number}
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