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Windows 10

Darat said:
I disagree , I only use office and photoshop in what is really personal use and I would much rather have the subscription than the old model. The office subscription is great value for a personal user, I have it installed on several devices and even on two family members PCs. That used to cost me a fortune upfront every few years now it is a very low monthly cost, in terms that are used today it's not even the cost of a couple of badly made, poor coffee, over priced drinks at one of these revolting coffee shops.

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I think I understand why Microsoft continues to dominate in the professional market, but I think the number of people that benefit from paying for the Microsoft suite for home use instead of just downloading one of the free office suites is very small. I'm very happy with Open Office for personal use and small time business use and Word would not offer any benefits for somebody like me.

As an aside, one of the reasons that I have particularly bad feelings about Microsoft is that my dad wanted a genuine copy of Word and was willing to pay for it instead of using one of the free alternatives. Fine, it was harder to install because I had to deal with the all the anti-copy protection stuff but my Dad spent money to get a genuine Microsoft product. Then he buys a computer with Windows 8 on it and gets completely screwed. Microsoft didn't give a crap about the millions of older people that use computers with their operating systems. Too bad for them if they're old and used to doing things one way and it's hard to learn a new way.

Obviously the benefits of new ways many times out weigh the learning curve for adapting to the new way. In this instance Microsoft made things different in a way that had absolutely no benefits for my father or the vast majority of desktop PC users for their own purposes. The fact that Microsoft lost a great deal of money for themselves and their partners with their stupid scheme was nice, but clearly their idea was to make money and they didn't give a crap about the needless harm they might inflict on their user base.

On the subscription thing: I like that model sort of. I agree that the market will to some degree constrain the greed of Microsoft. But it is also a little scary. If Microsoft goes nuts, and Windows 8 is pretty good evidence that they are willing to, it would take quite awhile for people to move to alternative platforms so Microsoft could make a lot of money while they are destroying their business and losing their user base.
 
Lerxst said:
Windows client isn't the only thing that makes them money. It's not even the biggest money maker for them.
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FRom what I understand, they are going the Mac OS way with this: You pay once(as part of the computer or for a license to install on a computer) and its locked to the computer. If you need a new computer, you need a new license.
If your computer changes enough for the "lock" not to recognise it (various hardware failure etc.) you need a new license. Updates, including major OS updates, are free as long as the lock/license is valid.

And, as you say, they make their money elsewhere. I forsee-/fear a major jump in OS license price though...
 
If, unlike what the Bible says, you want to know and select the time of your (preferred OS's) passing, select that you don't want the automatic upgrade and then remove the permanent icon thusly:

1- Go to Control Panel > Programs and Features > Installed Updates.

2- Do a search for KB3035583, double-click it, and then click Yes, to uninstall the update.

3- Reboot your computer, and you'll be good to go.
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
If, unlike what the Bible says, you want to know and select the time of your (preferred OS's) passing, select that you don't want the automatic upgrade and then remove the permanent icon thusly:
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What if I've already accepted the auto-download? Can I "unaccept" it?

I don't see that option when I click on the perma-icon.
 
I spoke too soon. They re-installed it again with the next update and it's right back.
 
marplots said:
I spoke too soon. They re-installed it again with the next update and it's right back.
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Your cancellation of the update should still be in effect, it should just be the Get Windows 10 App that came back.

I just noticed that Gord_in_Toronto's instructions were missing the final step from similar instructions I posted back at the start of the thread:
paulhutch said:
Uninstall the KB3035583 Windows update, reboot, in the Windows update application choose to hide KB3035583 so that it doesn't come back.
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This is what I did back then and the PC has gone through a monthly update without the App re-appearing.
 
paulhutch said:
Your cancellation of the update should still be in effect, it should just be the Get Windows 10 App that came back.

I just noticed that Gord_in_Toronto's instructions were missing the final step from similar instructions I posted back at the start of the thread:


This is what I did back then and the PC has gone through a monthly update without the App re-appearing.
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Yes, I didn't do that last step. I'll try it after the next update.
 
OK, looks like it's gone for good. But I had to change from automatic updates to manual, then get the updates (which now included the KB3035583), then select it and hide it. Then reboot.
 
paulhutch said:
Your cancellation of the update should still be in effect, it should just be the Get Windows 10 App that came back.

I just noticed that Gord_in_Toronto's instructions were missing the final step from similar instructions I posted back at the start of the thread:


This is what I did back then and the PC has gone through a monthly update without the App re-appearing.
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Thanks for that. I just cut and pasted some instructions from the 'net. I was going to do it when next I had to reboot. ;)
 
quadraginta said:
From the FAQ on the upgrade site.



Not sure if "Phone" equals "tablet", but that may explain the lack of notification.
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I just today got notification of upgrades from Win 8.x to Win 10 on my tablet.

That tablet may be en excellent canary for this upgrade. It's not good for much else but killing time in an airport (and it does a very good job of that).
 
I got the notification too! But I plan to do a full backup, and wait until the middle of the night to do the upgrade -- maybe even wait a day or two for the inevitable first patches.
 
My home machine is XP, and I'll be sticking with that until it gives up the ghost. My employer will drug me and rip the Win 7 work machine from my cold, dead fingers, replacing it with a Win 10 box no matter how I scream, so I won't spend the energy to fight it. I'm even caving in on their insistance that I must downgrade to Office 2013. Why does MS (and IT in general) have to be so obsessed with fixing what isn't broken? :(
 
(Off topic, a bit.)
I'm kind of wishing I'd got rid of the old XP machine about three years ago. That's because Google (PBUI), in it's infinite wisdom, decided to import my bookmarks from than now-rarely-used machine to my phone, and then last week from my phone to the laptop I use regularly, filling it with unused and obsolete crap. FU, Google.
 
alfaniner said:
I got the notification too! But I plan to do a full backup, and wait until the middle of the night to do the upgrade -- maybe even wait a day or two for the inevitable first patches.
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That's my plan too, wait until after the first patch Tuesday before upgrading, after doing a full backup or two.
 
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