Why We Need The FDA

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Originally posted by Rolfe [/i]

>>So, Rouser, you believe that everyone should decide for themselves what drugs to take. Do you believe that anyone should be allowed to make and market anything they like, and make whatever claims for it they like? Complete free-for-all? Without even any provision for products to be withdrawn or banned?


There will always be people who are too stupid to question the claims of others. That is just what is happening with the poisons marketed today which are called FDA "approved" drugs. Without that approval, the public would have to start to think for themselves.
 
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Rouser2 said:
Originally posted by Rolfe [/i]
There will always be people who are too stupid to question the claims of others. That is just what is happening with the poisons marketed today which are called FDA "approved" drugs. Without that approval, the public would have to start to think for themselves.
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Does this include Doctors as well? Also, if we're going to get rid of the FDA, shouldn't we get rid of education and licensing requirements for doctors?
 
Anders said:
How on earth would the the average American know about the very very real danagers of Thalidomide without FDA? As usual, I think and you don't.
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Certainly not from the FDA which only delayed approval due to red tape.

"...in late 1960 that thalidomide might cause neuropathy in some of its users. Neither of these concerns was fatal for the thalidomide application, but together they were enough to hold up the FDA's approval of thalidomide for a year. Since neither problem had anything to do with birth defects, it was only by the sheerest chance that the red-tape in these matters caused introduction of thalidomide to be delayed in the U.S. until it began to be suggested in late 1961 that thalidomide was a dangerous
drug for pregnant women. In the end, the association between thalidomide and birth defects was discovered in Europe, not America -- and certainly was not discovered by the FDA."
http://w3.aces.uiuc.edu:8001/Liberty/Tales/Thalidomide.Html


Only the European experience of thousands of birth defects made the FDA act. But even snake oil potions such as Thalidomide hardly ever die. The FDA has now approved the drug for treatment of Leprosy.

"FDA Announces Approval of Drug for Hansen's Disease (Leprosy) Side Effect; Imposes Unprecedented Authority to Restrict Distribution"

"On July 16, 1998, FDA approved the use of thalidomide for the treatment of the debilitating and disfiguring lesions associated with erythema nodosum leprosum (ENL), a complication of Hansen’s Disease, commonly known as leprosy."
http://www.fda.gov/cder/news/thalinfo/default.htm
 
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Rob Lister said:
Does this include Doctors as well? Also, if we're going to get rid of the FDA, shouldn't we get rid of education and licensing requirements for doctors?
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As far as the government is concerned, yes.
 
Rouser2 said:


"On July 16, 1998, FDA approved the use of thalidomide for the treatment of the debilitating and disfiguring lesions associated with erythema nodosum leprosum (ENL), a complication of Hansen’s Disease, commonly known as leprosy."
http://www.fda.gov/cder/news/thalinfo/default.htm
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So? We know hat went wrong with Thalidomide. It will not be given to pregnant women anyway and I suspect it will have a very high chiral purity. Btw Thalidomide whould not get through the testing program used today.
 
*is thinking of Upton Sinclair's "the Jungle" which, while not entirely true, is an example of human filth and twisted rationalization.*

Hey, well, if someone wants to market colored sugar water as "genuine honey" and let factory workers lose their fingers to dangerous machinary, or allow anyone and everyone to claim themselves a "healer" and sell their snake oil as freely as they seemed to do before, well, I guess there's always Planet X.
 
Suezoled said:
*is thinking of Upton Sinclair's "the Jungle" which, while not entirely true, is an example of human filth and twisted rationalization.*

Hey, well, if someone wants to market colored sugar water as "genuine honey" and let factory workers lose their fingers to dangerous machinary, or allow anyone and everyone to claim themselves a "healer" and sell their snake oil as freely as they seemed to do before, well, I guess there's always Planet X.
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Planet X is alive and well and thriving today under the collective apron of the nanny state.
 
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Rouser2 said:

There will always be people who are too stupid to question the claims of others. That is just what is happening with the poisons marketed today which are called FDA "approved" drugs. Without that approval, the public would have to start to think for themselves.
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With info from what?

Private companies that can be bribed by producers?

Will they have to pay before getting the info?

Will some products not be examend because there isn't enough of a market for it?

Or will they be examend after a lot of people have died?
 
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AWPrime said:
Or will they be examend after a lot of people have died?
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Absent the FDA that is the manner in which they are examined.

Ref: Ephedrine
 
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Rouser2 said:
Originally posted by Rolfe [/i]

>>So, Rouser, you believe that everyone should decide for themselves what drugs to take. Do you believe that anyone should be allowed to make and market anything they like, and make whatever claims for it they like? Complete free-for-all? Without even any provision for products to be withdrawn or banned?


There will always be people who are too stupid to question the claims of others. That is just what is happening with the poisons marketed today which are called FDA "approved" drugs. Without that approval, the public would have to start to think for themselves.
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Homeopathy is evidence that system doesn't work.
 
This is an argument that's quite regularly seen in the P+CE forum. The position boils down to: No private company would ever produce a dangerous drug, because that would hurt their bottom line, and no company wants to do that.

If they did produce a dangerous drug, two things would happen: 1. a private third party (like the aforementioned Underwriters Laboratory) would alert informed Americans that it was unsafe.
2. The company would go broke and stop selling it.

What happens to the people who take the drug in good faith in the meantime doesn't matter. As Rouser2 says: Caveat Emptor - or, Devil take the hindmost, more like.


(It's okay if they die or something, because then their relatives can sue the company, and help to make it go bust to save other people)
 
richardm said:
If they did produce a dangerous drug, two things would happen: 1. a private third party (like the aforementioned Underwriters Laboratory) would alert informed Americans that it was unsafe.
2. The company would go broke and stop selling it.
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The fact the approach is an abject failure in other industries clearly does not trouble him.
 
Benguin said:
The fact the approach is an abject failure in other industries clearly does not trouble him.
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You are mistaken. No private company has ever knowingly sold a faulty product. If they have knowingly sold a faulty product it is because the Government made them do it. If they apparently did it off their own bat, then it never happened, and any suggestion that it was unsafe and that they knew about it is a lie. Capice?

NB if they actually ever did sell an unsafe product, then they are out of business now, so it doesn't matter any more. Do not bother finding examples to attempt to disprove this, as it cannot be done. There are no examples. Private industry unfettered by Government has no interest in short-term profits, and will make the best product they can to secure long-term profitability.

Yes. I'll go further, and say that the GP Mafia should be shut down too. People can get all the information they need about drugs from the internet, and there shouldn't be a cartel of people who can say what we can and can't put into our bodies. What are you, some sort of facist ? And vets are even worse, being associated with tree-hugging communist facism.
 
So, in this wonderfully nonregulated Rouser-world, I produce a drug. Let's call it "organic germanium". Sounds lovely, doesn't it? I advertise it as being absolutely sovereign for Crohn's disease, diverticulitis and IBD.

So, who's going to be the first to try it, and would they be wise to do so?

Rolfe.
 
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Originally posted by AWPrime [/i]

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Originally posted by Rouser2

There will always be people who are too stupid to question the claims of others. That is just what is happening with the poisons marketed today which are called FDA "approved" drugs. Without that approval, the public would have to start to think for themselves.
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>>With info from what?
Private companies that can be bribed by producers?

With private individuals and agencies with a solid track record of integrity.

>>Will they have to pay before getting the info?

Perhaps those who provide the research, such as paying for a subscription to Consumer Reports.

>>Will some products not be examend because there isn't enough of a market for it?

Of course, so long as the world remains imperfect -- just like a whole lot of products, some which may be beneficial, are not examined by the FDA today, and thus can neither help (nor hurt) anybody.
 
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Benguin said:
Homeopathy is evidence that system doesn't work.
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Unlike many potions and elixers which have been approved by the FDA, I don't think anyone has ever been harmed by a homeopathic preparation, unless of course, it included too much of an FDA approved drug.
 
richardm said:
You are mistaken. No private company has ever knowingly sold a faulty product. If they have knowingly sold a faulty product it is because the Government made them do it. If they apparently did it off their own bat, then it never happened, and any suggestion that it was unsafe and that they knew about it is a lie. Capice?

NB if they actually ever did sell an unsafe product, then they are out of business now, so it doesn't matter any more. Do not bother finding examples to attempt to disprove this, as it cannot be done. There are no examples. Private industry unfettered by Government has no interest in short-term profits, and will make the best product they can to secure long-term profitability.

Yes. I'll go further, and say that the GP Mafia should be shut down too. People can get all the information they need about drugs from the internet, and there shouldn't be a cartel of people who can say what we can and can't put into our bodies. What are you, some sort of facist ? And vets are even worse, being associated with tree-hugging communist facism.
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Sorry Charlie, but there is no such a thing as "communist fascism."
 
Rolfe said:
So, in this wonderfully nonregulated Rouser-world, I produce a drug. Let's call it "organic germanium". Sounds lovely, doesn't it? I advertise it as being absolutely sovereign for Crohn's disease, diverticulitis and IBD.

So, who's going to be the first to try it, and would they be wise to do so?

Rolfe.
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The first? Probably the very same people who are now in a state of panic to get their flu shots. Wise? Of course not. But people have a right to be stupid.
 
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