Why (some) Conservatives Hate Sean Hannity
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Renfield
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Batman Jr. said:Me: You supported the war. In wars, our troops die. That means you want our troops to die. Why do you support the execution of our troops!?
A line of questioning I'd love to see on one of these shows:
China supports the suppression of religion and torturing political dissidents.
Do you support an invasion of China Mr. Hannity(could be asked of any other right wing blowhard)?
NO?
Why do you hate religion? Why do you support the murder of political dissenters? Why do you hate american values?
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Tony said:
Not in my character to do so, sorry.
As for the irony, how so? Nasarius called me a moron when he failed to understand I was agreeing with the original post in spite of my political views, instead of agreeing with Hannity's backward reasoning as depicted in the 'exchange'.
I am constantly amazed how around here the skeptical process stops where the political process begins. I can laugh at the views, pundits, and shills that occupy my "side" of the fence. Some of you, however, when faced with even the notion of a challenge to your views, circle your wagons and start firing your guns at anything that moves.
It's sad. I expect better from my fellow "skeptics". Political woo is woo nonetheless.
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Phrost said:
I have often made the same comments, but I gave up. I know several scientists that are also Christians. Their knowledge of science and using the scientific method is flawless, but as soon as the subject of religion comes up, all of that goes right out the window. I find the same character flaws here when it comes to skeptics discussing politics.
The majority of the folks on this board and on skepticalcommunity.com side with the left. I side with neither, but some would accuse me of leaning more towards the right. I always find it interesting when during a heated political debate, those on the left will spit fire at those on the right for being foolish enough to believe the political propaganda, lies, and BS that is spewed by Bush, the Republican Party, and Fox News, but they will believe all the politcial propaganda, lies, and BS from the left without question. Not only that, but during the debate they will cite left-slanted websites and news teams, and claim that all if it is totally un-biased and fact-based, rather (cough), rather (cough, cough) RATHER (pun and spelling error intended --->) dan check other sources and review these so-called facts.
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a_unique_person said:
Yep. And its not just the talk show hosts. You hear this kind of thing from folks all the time here in the "heartland". Bush is great, we are so very noble for saving the Iraqi people, but if we were to just nuke all the towelheads off the face of the earth, that'd be ok too.
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Bruce said:
Thanks. Any ideas why so many self-described skeptics lean left more often than not? Is it a product of the education system (leftists more likely to be teachers/professors, right-ists(?) more likely to be in business)? Is it an affinity with the secularism or revulsion by the counter-intuitive fundamentalist Christian influence on the party of non-governmental interference in people's lives?
I'd think that at the least, most Skeptics would be moderates if not leaning towards a practical Libertarianism. I seriously do not get the attractiveness of Socialism. It penalizes success and subsidizes failure.
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Phrost said:
I'm not convinced that "most self-described skeptics lean left more often than not." Do you have any statistics to support that? I get the impression that most people who post here are college students who have lots of time. I don't have statistics to support that either, but if it is true, then it may explain why most of the folks here lean to the left. Most people become politically aware in college and most people lean to the left when they first become politically aware. People tend to have more conservative views when they become financially independant, unless they work for or are supported by the government (i.e., teachers, professors that apply for research grants, etc). and have less time to devote to forums (the minority being folks like me who got laid off or have crappy jobs).
Honestly, I know as many Democratic Christians as I do Republican Christians. I think the notion that most Republicans are religious zealots is all propaganda and loaded statistics. It would make more sense to me if most Democrats were Christians, since Jesus was about the most liberal dude that ever lived.
As I understand it, Liberitarians believe in the idea of having less government involvement in people's lives, which I agree with. I have two friends that are Liberitarian. When I asked them what their plan was for running the government on a smaller staff and budget, they didn't have an answer. "Our goal is to get somebody in office. I guess we'll go from there." If the Liberitarians had a clear agenda, then I might consider joining their party. Even then, I would have my doubts, because to my knowledge, none of them have any experience in politics because they have never held office. A catch 22.
IMO, for the Liberitarians to succeed, they would need to convert a high ranking Democrat or Republican to their party, come up with a realistic plan, and move forward from there. Even if that happens, I would still have my doubts. It's a conflict of interest for a political party to desire less government. It would be like a fish asking for less water. I seriously doubt that the Liberitarians would hold to their original ideals for long, after having tasted power.
I hold no affiliation to any party. I don't like to say I'm in the middle because I don't see myself as a fence sitter. I have my own political views, some of which are held by each of the political parties and some of which are held by none. My vote always goes to the candidate I despise the least. Strangely, the more I learn about people and politics, the more I feel like I'm not in the minority.
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That the life of Christ is conflated with the life of a Christian is just part and parcel of silly myth-making. It goes like this: I am Christian. I strive to be Christ-like. I am politically conservative. Ergo, Christ is (you know, life everlasting) conservative.Ladewig said:
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Too funny.Ladewig said:
I like talk radio, but in the same vein that I like science fiction.
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Since we're dumping on Hannity, I'd like to point out yet another of his many hypocracies that irk me.
A couple of times now in the recent past (say the last couple of months, maybe), I've heard Hannity leap to the defence of various conservatives who made political gaffes by explaining that they latter corrected themselves, it was taken out of context, it wasn't what they had meant to say, and what is it with the liberal media elite that they just love to jump on people and tear them appart, etc.
When I listen to this, I can't help but think back to last year when I couldn't turn on his show without hearing Kerry's sound byte "I actually voted for the 86 (87?) billion before I voted against it" at least three or four times during the 20 minute drive between my office and classroom twice a week. Heck, he still plays it when he gets the chance.
What a tool.
BTW, I agree with both Bruce and Charlie. I listen to talk radio because I do so enjoy getting angry with it. Kind of the same reason I am such a big fan of Chick Tracts. The only difference is that with talk radio, I get to hear from the mooks who buy into the BS.
A couple of times now in the recent past (say the last couple of months, maybe), I've heard Hannity leap to the defence of various conservatives who made political gaffes by explaining that they latter corrected themselves, it was taken out of context, it wasn't what they had meant to say, and what is it with the liberal media elite that they just love to jump on people and tear them appart, etc.
When I listen to this, I can't help but think back to last year when I couldn't turn on his show without hearing Kerry's sound byte "I actually voted for the 86 (87?) billion before I voted against it" at least three or four times during the 20 minute drive between my office and classroom twice a week. Heck, he still plays it when he gets the chance.
What a tool.
BTW, I agree with both Bruce and Charlie. I listen to talk radio because I do so enjoy getting angry with it. Kind of the same reason I am such a big fan of Chick Tracts. The only difference is that with talk radio, I get to hear from the mooks who buy into the BS.